[Development] Discussing reports related to the Challenger 2 MBT

Didn’t even need that for it to fall apart… The brochure doesn’t mention a backplate anywhere? Literally anywhere… The unit itself offers the protection… Nothing else to discuss.

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Sure sure. When are you going to acknowledge that since you don’t have access to the classified documents you’re basically just making this all up?

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So, what do we do about the fact that the clear evidence you need is all classified?

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Just like there is no evidence that it is with backplate included, and there never will be. The plate existed before ASPRO, there is 0 mention of it in brochure, and is must be included for legal reasons etc.

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It’s fine… Bla bla bla backplate bla bla bla T72 has wet storage lmao… Honestly the MOD could email gaijin directly and it still wouldn’t get changed. No matter how much information is put in front of them they’ll still find a reason not to add it… Even going so far as to make up a story about a backplate with zero manufacturer’s mention… < forgetting that the manufacture is a primary source… Gaijin knows best… It needs backplate to work… Silly us for thinking

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can someone tell this guy he wrong and needs to be quite

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Yeh im selling this body armour that stops 7.62 rounds… I’ll just casually forget to mention it needs a ceramic backing plate to offer that level protection when selling it to the MOD/British government lmao

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Waste of time. He doesn’t want the truth, he wants to be right, no matter what.

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I just want gaijin to show me where it says it needs the backing plate to qualify for that protection level

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I think you’ll be waiting a while.

I just saw Smin replying soooo

He’s the same guy who makes statements like this and then insults the op for “bad research”


He’s not worth the time

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The blocks themselves do have STANAG Level 5 themselves at the specified angle according to the developers. They stop the shell without the need of the back plate:


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You literally said the opposite less than an hour ago.

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Well apologies, I am relaying answers and information in both directions. I can only pass on what answers I have :)

Either way, the protection does appear to be correct as per the sources.

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That is fair, and despite all the stuff surrounding this your work IS appreciated

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So the fact that the sources give a very incomplete picture and do not provide realistic data doesn’t matter.

At close to 0 it pens like nothing was there
https://streamable.com/cs4hju
At 58 it stops on the backplate
https://streamable.com/oq7k81
And at 64 the block by itself stops it
https://streamable.com/xnjlp9
unlike what STANG 5 says
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WIth that it should provide that level of protection from angle 0, and 30 degree to both sides, so 60 degree arc at the front of the block. Not like what we have in game.
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Here is a different product showing how stopping thing that fits in STANAG level work
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AS it can be seen the bullet does not penetrate the block iself.
Here are tests with Bradley, the IFV ASPRO is advertised on, so it surely should protect from its ammunition.
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Plate no pen angle 63
https://streamable.com/18i75q
Block stops at 68 degree
https://streamable.com/16amf5

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You’re misreading the STANAG protection standards. It mentions frontal arc protection, as in a hit directly to the front plate. In order to meet those standards the blocks would need to be able to resist 25mm APDS from 500m at a hit angle of 90 degrees.

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Well… is it though?
I certainly think that’s what it means, but then why specify an angle at which it can protect?

so long as it hits the front plate still, so long as it cannot penetrate when fired directly at the flat plate… unless it’s some magical round that defeats sin cos and tan as well as ASPRO HMT it should protect from all angles.