[Development] Chieftain 900: Royal Ordnance’s Chieftain

If other vehicles get things they were supposed to have, like the M6A2E1 and Yak-38, then this should too.

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I vote without so that it can bolster the 9.0 lineup instead of the 10.0 one

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Marginally worse than Khalid, hence 9.0 instead of 9.3.

Unfortunately Gaijin has also decided the M60 120S shouldn’t receive its 1200hp engine it was supposed to have but instead stuck with the 750hp so the MSC situation doesn’t mean anything on its own.

I wouldn’t say 300hp less is marginally worse. The difference will be ~15 hp/t to ~21hp/t which is a lot.

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How did I miss this. Can’t wait to take this baby out for a spin.

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True. Going from 760-900-1200 are all notable bumps in performance. It also can only do 32mph instead of 35 and won’t sit there as comfortably as the Khalid

Im on the fence, as Id want to know what BR it would actually be with or without.

Assuming we’d not get the L23 replaced with L23A1, I find the FV4030/3 a little under powered at 10.0, especially in anyform of uptier and Id fear it would be a little annoying to play.

On the flipside, without it, it might be quite vulnerable at 9.3 ish and we dont really have much in the way of 9.3 line-ups currently. Perticularly the lack of SPAA. So the higher BR would give a stronger overall line-up.

Though historical accuracy should trump all other concerns

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Brits took the spotlight in the First Devblog of the new season?

Ohhh… I didn’t expect that…

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and its not something terrible like the Badger was

By the way, I imagine that when you say L23 you really mean the L23A1, since it has been more than reported that British munitions began with A1. The L28 does not exist, there is the L28A1. The L52 does not exist, there is the L52A1. The L23 does not exist, there is the L23A1. The L26 does not exist, there is the L26A1. The L27 does not exist, there is the L27A1.

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b… But why? And i say this as a British Main… No Chobham, a Shell its 4 years too old to use, No Thermals, Nothing. It has no reason to even be added other than make the grind harder and longer.

Its bad enough you copy and pasted L15A5 when you added the Shir 2, and gave it a shell its 10 years too old to even use. But this? This is just sad. Is this really the best you can do for the British Tree?

the Fv4211 would have been a MUCH better choice, as it has actual composite armor, But also dates from the late 60s to early 70s, Meaning you absolutely could not pointlessly give it APFSDS it didn’t need.

You screwed over the SHIR 2 by giving it a APFSDS round its 10 years too old to even use, meaning its now just a worse C1 at basically same BR.

This is going to face the same fate. beacuse you refuse to not only Model L15A5 correctly, But you throw APFSDS at tanks that DON’T NEED IT, AND NEVER WOULD HAVE USED IT.

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L23 absolutely did exist. It just had VERY poor Performance and was replaced quickly. Most L23 rounds that were made, had their penetrators replaced and became L23A1.

source?

https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/dTml13NvBZ1X

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https://www.steelbeasts.com/sbwiki/index.php?title=L23

Steel beasts is not a reliable source

Yep, still waiting on that one.

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Here, a actual picture of a L23 training round

The only difference between L23, and L23A1, is the Penentrator, It was found to be sub par in on the Original round, and was replaced with a new Alloy that achieved the performance the British army actually wanted out of the shell.

And all original production L23 rounds were remanufactured into L23A1 by replacing the penetrator. You can tell the Original L23 rounds that were upgraded, from the Later production L23A1, by the A1 mark being stamped on afterwards, spaced away from the original L23 marking
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Compared to later full production L23A1 that had a custom stamp.
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