[Development] 2S19M1 and 2S19M2: Vengeance Is Mine!

This, artillery spam is tiresome. I get that direct fire is an option, but these feel like mediocre additions that just create the looming threat of adding in an on field artillery mechanic that I don’t think would be a very welcomed addition.

7.3 or 7.7 i believe.

Aren’t they 7.0 and 7.3 in the dev server?

yeah my bad

Throughout 2024 Russian only got premium vehicles and a couples of SPAA that’s it

More then some other nations got.
So i dont get the complaints.

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I’m trying to figure out if they’re going to add the MiG-31 or the MiG-35 next. I hope the add a MiG, since I’m already almost done with the MiGs.

T-80U was given AAHE rounds, let’s call it SPAAG

M830A1 on 120mm Abrams:

Yeah but only if you are wallet warrior, also gaijin added those soviet spaas to other tech trees so they are not the only one who got them

Only to GB.
IIRC, Russia, America and Great Britain are the only nations who have received SPAA’s this year.

No? Germany, China and Italy also received soviet SPAAs

Oh yeah!
I forget about them… Well, they are C&P and foldered anyway. The Italians did need them though!

Its sad that the nations who actually need SPAA arent getting them. E.g. France, Japan, Israël and Italy. (Mostly top tier, but France, Japan and Italy need more SPAA all around).

Type 99, and the Pzh2000 are very new arty systems, and are 7.3 / 7.7 respectively.

Although I do agree, all these arty systems could use a bump up by 0.3 br, and i literally mean every arty in the game.

But seeing as how they’re modeling this Russian arty with 15mm UFP RHA… which again, I don’t think is accurate, I’m sure it would be terrible to fight, it may be annoying, but at least it cannot flee like a type99

id bump every self propelled artillery piece up by 1BR rating.

I agree that sounds like a load of rubbish, the steel skin on the outside of T72 is about 60mm. they probably wont remove that as well as the composite. the vehicle still needs some structure at minimum. not sure of how much of a difference this will really make either due to the insane angle, all HE slingers would one shot it anyhow and all tanks arent gonna aim there

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Because nothing was removed. Its not a T-72 with armour shaved off, its a new hull loosely based on the T-72/80 profile and sharing parts with both production lines. And being artillery, the new hull didn’t need anything more than 16mm.

Structural elements inside the hull generally aren’t included in the damage model. They aren’t armour-grade steel and they aren’t everywhere, so no real impact on protection.

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In any case you have to expose the turret to do anything, but at least with something over 15mm you’ll survive an HMG

These vehicles are NOT meant for a direct fire role so just LMG proof is generally the benchmark

I never said they were. But 15mm will hardly stop splash from arty

15mm of steel is about as strong as 30mm of aluminium and that is deemed acceptable for recce vehicles. once again not a direct fire vehicle. if itself is getting shelled its already over as everything else collapsed