So HSTV-L and LAV-AD are getting the turret basket modeled as part of the horizontal turret drive, meaning they’re getting massively nerfed in survivability as any hit to the huge turret basket means you can’t turn the turret.
It seems like these are the only two vehicles getting such treatment, any word on this, since it’s a pretty big issue?
Yeah I agree, I don’t see how some sheet metal covering is relevant to the traverse mechanism
It could be a bug but I feel like it’s a “balancing” change since these tanks tend to be quite survivable sometimes.
Though I would like to add when internal modules were added to the 2S38, they essentially removed it’s ready rack of 20 rounds.
For the HSTVL, they gave it nothing. The proxy round was added when added when the autoloader module was modeled last patch, that doesn’t count. Even still it’s something that should’ve been added a long time ago. Give the HSTVL it’s accurate round, or a better round.
A better round would require a BR higher than MBTs.
HSTVL is already powerful at its current BR.
Or y’know, give the historical rate of fire which is 1s reload, not the current 1.5
You didn’t listen, the hstvl is getting a nerf, it is not being reduced in BR. it is staying at the same BR. Thus it should get a better round or buff that will improve it’s firepower. If you don’t agree with this, then you’re saying that the HSTVL was under-Br’d to begin with
Giving an internal tank internal modules though historically accurate, is one of the biggest nerfs you can give it to a tank that heavily relies on it’s empty space for protection. So after this update, any enemy who just sneezes at this tank will disable vital components with ease.
The HSTVL is not powerful, and it’s performance is heavily dependent on the map. For example the HSTVL will struggle in CQC maps because it’s stand out features like a low profile, high gun depression and mobility can’t be put to use. The HSTVL excels in hilly long range maps because it can use these to it’s advantage however, you rarely see these maps when in comparison to CQC ones.
The HSTVL’s round is inconsistent. Sometimes it can knock out breaches and sometimes it can’t. Sometimes it can spall and sometimes it can’t. It is a round that you shouldn’t be relying on. So one of the things that they could do is increase the penetration so that knocking out component would be consistent.
The things that I mentioned are common knowledge for people who play the HSTVL.
Again when the 2s38’s internal module was added, they removed the ready rack limit entirely, leading to a sustained rate of fire.
Please read what I said and think about what you’re going to say. I don’t like repeating myself.
Edit:
By sustained ROF, I mean that it can shoot without having to wait for it’s ready rack to be replenished. This is really good for low caliber rounds as it takes multiple hits to take out one tank. And if there’s multiple tanks, you may not have the time to replenish.
I’m probably gonna stop responding to this particular individual from now on because I’ve noticed that I’ve been wasting my time for someone who only cares about winning an argument than learning.
Or that too. Imo, I rather get a round that is consistent than a faster ROF. That’s just me though.
The 2S38 got a nerf and wasn’t reduced in BR.
Receiving a new round would make the HSTVL 12.3.
HSTVL was objectively superior to 2S38 for its BR until this change where it’s now on-par for the BR again.
Sustained rate of fire only matters for aircraft.
Never ran out of ready-rack in 2S38 for tanks cause tanks require less shots.
I’m not sure why you think the hstvl is OP, the round is incredibly inconsistant (Especially against spall liners it sucks lol). If they gave it a better round it likely wouldn’t need a br raise from 11.7, its not like its shooting KE-W. After the internal modules were updated it is now fairly easy to disable the hstvl and its not much faster than any mbt. So I feel like it doesn’t make much sense to model the turret basket as well when the hstvl isn’t that survivable when penetrated. Afterall the new internal modules were added because some vehicles were 90% air but that is not the case anymore.
Interesting how these sorts of things only go one way, its its a nerf its not to that specific unmentionable nation…
Never said OP, I said powerful.
Calling HSTVL’s round “inconsistent”, and by extension that calls 2S38’s inferior round even less consistent, is not a good take.
HSTVL’s round is as consistent as all other 2kg APFSDS projectiles.
I’ve yet to use more than half the ammo, and I fragged 5 tanks and a helicopter using APFSDS in my highest ammo count match.
Also onion protection determines you should avoid being even hit let alone shot at.
I find it incredibly stupid the turret basket is being modeled as part of the drive
Other tanks have turret baskets modeled and they are seperate Why is it different here?
You are comparing apples to oranges here bud. Just because the 2s38 has less pen it doesn’t make it inferior, especially since they are at different BRs. It is not uncommon to shoot the side of a t80bvm/t90m and non pen (which is why its inconsistant sometimes). Nitpicking certain advantages it has over the 2s38 doesn’t make sense, it is not the same tank.
ok? Could say the same for alot of vehicles but you think some more spall or pen would make the hstvl higher br than the t90m or leo 2a7???
Doesn’t really apply to the argument, I could say the same for any tank it faces, “jUst DoNt geT sHot”. The hstvl is a good tank, but can be frustrating to play sometimes because it has arbitrary restrictions on its performance.
The consequences.
The consequences.
The 20 ready rack was a proposital nerf, if they give the 148 rounds right on the way, the 2S38 would be moved to 10.7 easily right after the 9.7 → 10.0 BR changes.
“They didn’t made the tank broken, it doesn’t mean nothing” The HSTV-L’s HE-VT XM884 and IRST is a huge improvement, one of the best HE-VT if not the best in auto cannons.
The consequences.
It’s the completely opposite, HSTV-L is better used at close ranges, the fast firing rate cannon makes it perfect for any enemy that slips and misses a round, it has low profile and good gun handling and mobility, makes it perfect for any urban and close combats map when you can use buildings for cover. While in long range maps you’re literally exposed, Sand of Sinai and El Alamein are examples of maps this one can’t perform very well.
Historical accurate change.
The consequences.
Explain what you mean by “the consequences”
You’re missing the point, my argument is that when the 2S38, got it’s internal modules added, they removed it’s ready rack and still left it at 10.0 (pre br changes)
the proxy round at best can take out slow moving/stationary helicopter, planes at a short to medium range distance and nothing more. It can handle helicopter rushing quite well but can’t handle helicopters in the medium range that is not stationary (flying defensively) which is the biggest threat the your team. The best way I can put it that it can take out players who don’t pay attention or stay in one place the entire time
It’s the equivalent to the otomatic (which is over BR’d anyways). It is a buff however it is not a major improvement to warrant a BR raise nor internal modules added to balance it out.
One thing that does not get mentioned but it extremely important is the total ammo count of the HSTVL. It is only 26 rounds. Sacrificing some rounds will significantly reduce it’s capabilities to kill multiple targets
The 2S38’s proxy round though weaker than the HSTVL, plays a bigger role at 10.3 since there’s a lot more slower planes and helicopters where their ordanance can’t reach farther than 5km. In addition it can lay out more lead for a lot longer.
You’re again missing the point. I’m fine with the HSTVL getting it’s internal module as long as it gets a proper buff to compliment with it. One of the biggest reasons why the HSTVL was good is because it was highly survivable. Unless the enemy shoots at the barrel/barrel, turret shots will most likely do nothing as it will either bounce or not hit vital components. This hasn’t been the case since last patch.
this is just not true. Playing CQC is playing Russian roulette because it only takes someone pointing their camera up down, left, right to spot you. This isn’t exclusive to the HSTVL as other tanks can do the same if not better than the HSTVL. It is ultimately dependent on the enemy team you face.
I said hilly maps, not flat ones. Sands of Sinai is not flat nor hilly but contain sand dunes where it can completely hid the tank and at the same time allow for it to peak up shot and pop back down. El Alamein is not flat at all and in infact one of the best maps for the hstvl play in because it contains steeper sandune where it can use it’s gun depression to the fullest.
Maps like Alaska, abandoned factory 38 parallel, sun city, novorssysk where even though some contain dips, hills, etc, their engagement distance is usually <1km.
I’m fine with the 2S38 getting it’s accurate auto loader when it got it’s internal modules modeled however I’m also fine the HSTVL getting it’s accurate round or a better one. I doubt it it’ll get it’s accurate round (penetration+damage) but if it at least gets it’s penetration then it’ll be a more consistent round. It’ll still have to aim for weakspots and spalling will still suck, but breach shots, side shots will be more reliable.
The mass complains obviously valid, made Gaijin take this step, of internal modules starting with few of the vehicles that were mostly the subject of discussion. Leading to the “new vehicles will recieve internal modules”, which high tier and very few lower tier, it seems, get access to new internal modules.
Surely I did, but what’s the point of bringing a old, solved, issue/discussion?
There’s almost no difference between the scenarios where you play 2S38 or HSTV-L, and what kinda of point is that, Helicopter ordnances can’t reach farther than 5 km? Any or most of them helicopter over 10.0 has access to longer AGMs.
Compared to open maps like Sands of Sinai and El Alamein, urban maps and close combats are more suitable because the distance doesn’t affect the projectile performance, this is what I mean. Long range maps need a higher caliber cannon to sustain the distance, that’s I see HSTV-L more suitable for close combats maps than long range maps.
Fully agree. The HSTV-L and similar tanks are perfect in CQC due to their very fast reload and high mobility. I don’t get why people dismiss mobilty and gun handling in CQC situations.
It also comes down to playstyle and player preference too.
Wdym, a lot of vehicles already got their internal modules modelled. Its just the HSTV-L’s and LAV-AD’s turn.
It seems as your missing what the complaint is. They are complaining about the entire turret basket be added as a control mechanism. When the basket is mainly to protect the gunner from accidentally have their bodies torn up when the turret rotates. It has nothing to do with the drive mechanism.
Ah that makes more sense.
