Ideally it should get the MUSIC LDIRCM and the SPIKE NLOS but we could get the Tzefa D with Spike ER2 in the meantime
Hellfires are 8 km not 6.
And SAL weapons would be fine, the SAL versions of the AGM-179 are actually quite good. The big problem isn’t which has FnF. The bigger issue is range and speed, and it’s been that way for years. Russian helis have had an amazing range and fast missiles for years, despite no FnF. The new SAL 179s are faster and have a better range than Hellfires, which is really nice. Hellfires have been a pain because their range wasn’t spectacular, and their speed was terrible because of incorrect lofting mechanics.
Furthrmore, I agree that those other three nations should also receive upgrades—no one has argued otherwise. However, the newest three nations have been given missiles that are not comparable to Spikes or PARS, as their range is double or more than that of every other helicopter currently in the game.
Gaijin could address this by upgrading all Spike ERs to ER2s, which would increase their range to 16 km. They could also replace the existing Spikes on the French, Italian, and Israeli helicopters to bring them in line with the newer helicopters. This would leave nearly all helicopters at a similar level, except for those of Britain, Japan, Germany, and Sweden, which would require a separate solution from Gaijin. Six out of ten techtrees could have comparable tech instead of three good, three mid, and four terrible.
in my experience. 8km rarely hit. 7km is more realistic, but the missile takes so long to get that far, its not worth using, the target has probably moved behind cover. 6km is usually the more practical range.
Right?
And that still doesnt change the fact that Israel does have a heli with 16x Spikes and 3 nations only have Hellfires.
Again, im not against the Seraph getting Spikes, but claims like:
“israel has been left to rot”
is just hyperbole. Especially when they even have a better AH-64D than Britain and Japan that dont even have IRCM.
In my experience, it depends a lot on the heli. The little bird, despite having 114Ks cannot hit anything past six or at least its hard. Meanwhil,e the AH-64D and AH-1z can. I think it has something to do with optics not the missile itself. The speed is terrible and wouldn’t have been so bad if Gaijin allowed us to toggle between loft modes instead of giving us a weird hybrid (Top attack, low altitude, or direct).
Thats fair, that claim is a bit to far. Honestly, some of the nations that don’t have good options should just get a copy-paste AH-64E. Maybe one for Britain and you could give a Polish 64E to Germany. Sweden and Japan, I have no idea how they’d fix those, but they really do need help.
Japan, Indonesian AH-64E.
Sweden is the only nation truly screwed on that front
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Yeah, Sweden would not get much. The best thing Gaijin could give, and this is a big stretch, is the Czech Republic AH-1z with Jagms. They do have military ties with selling Gripens and such, but it’s still a massive stretch.
nahhh let germany suffer
I would like to clarify that I, the original poster, am not the person who made that claim. (Despite how much it feels like gaijin feels that way sometimes)
I know, but someone else did and I have seen similar sentiment in other threads on this topic.
Well given how they’ve handled israeli ground vehicles in the past, I can understand why people feel that way. Just look at how big of a fuckup the Sholef was.
At least the Sufa isn’t offensively incorrect.
Yeah, I agree, though with a lot of Israeli top tier ground vehicles. Like a lot of things, compression is to blame. The tanks look rather solid if they didn’t have to face half what they actually do.
F-16i Right?
yeah, though I do wonder what their plans are for it. 14.0 seems a little high for its current fit, but would be the perfect aircraft to get Gen 5 IRs for Israel when they come to all
The tanks would be solid, if their composite had better KE modifiers than rubber-fabric screens.
The UFP of the merkava 4 is physically 432mm thick at line if sight, but provides a total of 19mm effective protein against KE penetrators.
Also, I fully expect the Sufa to swap places with the F-15I at some point. I say this because despite it not being able to carry as much ordinance as the F-15I, the F-16I will be substantially better as a CAS platform due to having MAW and an RWR that can see K-band radars with full 360 coverage. (No blind spots.)
Plus it gets 8x SPICE-250s, which are basically just faster, more maneuverable, longer range mavericks.
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Spice 250 when no one else gets similar weapons (Stormbreaker???)
Sounds like yall are perfectly fine
gonna trade 8x spices for 6x imaginary 38MTs. And there should be 16 spices, not 8
Then give me 24 Stormbreakers and all will be well.
and KH38s are not similar weapons. They are better compared to Mavericks or AASM Hammers. Rocket powered, favor destructive capability. Stormbreakers and Spice 250 favor numbers rather than individual destructive capability.