What did you say? @vizender
It doesn’t matter, the 27SM IS NOT, one of the worst flight models at top tier.
It’s high speed and rating performance is plenty good, the J-11B is even better though their low speed perf could be better and should be revisioned.
Both of em are on par if not better than the F16C.vi
I have every single top tier except Italy and I can easily say your claim about Su-27 is wrong.
Which is unimportant for RB because holding a rate is pretty much impossible
Okay some people really are surprising. I have no clue why my post was hidden, I was just saying that imo, the things that make the SU27 competitive in dogfights is the AOA, HMD and r73 combo. Remove the r73 and there’s not a lot of top tier (13.0-14.0) aircraft’s that it can beat.
F15E, probably F16C but not A, that’s mostly it. Eurocanards demolish it, the Chinese one as well
name a flight model that’s worse than the Su-27 at top tier (Apart from the F-15E). Aircraft like the Su-27SM or anything carrying the Derby or similar R-Darter are made pretty much irrelevant against a rafale
Su-30 (xD)
bruh. However that can compete with the rafale (my point into using flight performance for my arguement) due to its R-77-1 and very strong radar
You said to name one FM that’s worse than teh Su-27 at top tier and I did
Plus I was being sarcastic
Tho its weaker engines do put it at quite a disadvantage
The r77-1 are really nice i cant deny that
But to be truly honest with you i would have preferred to get another su 27 with a better radar and the r77-1 even if i can’t get 12 of them
The su 30 is such a bus i hated the grind and having played both su 30 and su 27 i would pick the su 27 any day of the week or even a j11b even though it gets less missiles at least it gets maws which helps with situational awareness
Oh and the tvc on the su 30 such a pain in the ass i wish you could disable it
This thread is about the Rafale, not the Su-30. However, for russia the 30SM is the only plane they have that stands a chance against a rafale
Tornado F3 Late if it gets Aim-120C5s and moves to 13.7
the F.3 Late carried ASRAAMs too right?
Yeah. But that might be too much of a bump
true, come to think about it I don’t think britain ever used 9Ms with the RAF or navy
Cough
How is it that I open the Rafale thread and this is what I see.
we were talking about how top tier FMs are inadequate to combat the rafale
Eh… conversation has been about the Su-27 for the past 2 days
that too
Then let’s move it back to the Rafale. Thank you.