Dassault Rafale - Variants, Characteristics, Armament and Performance

Plenty of documents from the national archives show the UK planned on having TMC capability on their Eurofighters.

Also in the requirements document there is a table for all the optional features of the aircraft, and it can be seen that all four nations selected the TMC option.

That seems to have been adequate evidence for Gaijin.

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Laying under the wing =/= mounted.

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would that count we could increase other aircrafts armaments by a lot xD

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oh, didn’t see the cart

saying the plane being op is fine because its in a minor tree is certainly one of the takes ive ever seen

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“Its ok if the Rafale is OP because gaijin gets to make money at the expense of player enjoyment, bcuz it doesn’t effect me cuz I only play France :)”

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AASM-IR (SBU-64) incorrect modeling // Gaijin.net // Issues

Hopefully soon we will have a report done on Magic 2 Mk2 which should offer 40% more range over the current Magic 2 for developers to introduce into the game. This missile was equipped on several French aircrafts available in-game. Perhaps they’ll introduce it alongside R-73M/Python 4.

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It’s interesting that Magic 2 Mk2 is real.

Magie 2 Mk2 is expected to fill the gap between MICA IR and Magic 2.

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Because they haven’t been arguing in good faith at all

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How does it feels like to say anything positive about Rafale

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Wow what a detailed representation of the Rafael, are you part of the actual design bureau ?

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@MythicPi i don’t want to start clogging the report thread so I’ll answer here :

  • For your first point, « for instance » makes it pretty clear that this was not the sole use of the AASM IR in the conflict. Since you are so keen on refusing that the « mobile, time sensitive target » argument is not receivable, I would want to point out that this is also not a good point to say that the AASM IR is lackin such an ability
  • Same in this one. This could be attributed to the fact that France just did not have much IR variants and used them sporadically on sensitive targets. In general, air forces don’t wage war like we play war thunder. They don’t « just spawn » with 6 AASM IR and switch from base bombing to pantsir hunting on a whime. They take off with specific loadout with specific missions in mind. From open source information, it has been pretty clear that a majority of the AASM were fired at infrastructures (buildings, airstrips…), so it would make sense that the GLS variant was more than sufficient in most cases.
  • as you said, the laser AASM is meant for fast moving targets. This does not equate to the IR AASM being unable to hit slow moving targets. As for the enchanted tactical ability, the use of the GBU may very well be attributed to the Laser variants being better against fast moving targets, or that the AASM IR was expensive and/or available in low numbers, as suggested by your second point, while France did have extensive stock of American made GBUs.
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Well dude f-22 is 5th gen way too fast, the growler is missing the 15XE silent eagle f16 block 72. There are quite a few planes to go before we hit the f-22.

Not necesarily.
Remember we skipped a lot of the F/A 18 stuff and wasnt added while it was relevant

well we went from early 4th gen to late 4.5 in one year. late 4.5 to early 5th could be a year or less then

Sounds like an utter menace of a missile.

I think with PY-4 etc it could be doable, but I also think it wouldn’t be an awful idea to hold back on it for balance, R-73M would be a nice addition on a new SU-30SM1 or 2 or perhaps one of the prototype flankers, though i’m not sure how much Su-30SM1/2 brings to the table as R-77 is already in one of its best iterations irl… (counterpoint though get rid of their fake dual-racks) and PY-4 well I think maybe the current US jets do lag behind a touch particularly for Israel.

Whereas I’d say Rafale and Eurofighter lead the pack here and could therefore perhaps do without armament buffs in the short term, even if those two missiles made it to the game?

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I am not seeing these “rafale is the most overpowered superplane in the entire game that wins all fights” claims and complaints at all with my experience.

My experience in RB is just constantly defending from long range missile launches; despite all the crying about how easy it is to notch missiles it still means you are defending while the enemy is pushing you and gaining a larger and larger advantage. I doubt it’ll get better with more missiles to throw around. People just don’t get close enough for a MICA launch with decent probability of kill.

Call me a brainlet and look up my stats+replays or whatever, but I don’t see the complaints having a basis in reality when AIM-120 launches even at 40+km still need to be defended and defending properly doesn’t let you do much when the other guy just turns around and speeds off at mach 1.8 in their spam eagle by the time you’ve defeated their triple volley of missiles.

Maybe it’s broken in SB, but SB is a hyper-niche gamemode with a constantly dwindling playerbase.

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Can’t use internal FLIR when carrying TGP :

https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/fGiynsE5YT7T

What I was told when I tried to report this was that the Harrier GR.7 was bugged when they tried to make two targeting pods work (one internal, one external) this lead to some issues so developers have decided to completely disable the internal pod if an external targeting pod is taken. I haven’t heard any update at all if they intend on making it work in the future, probably not.

With an AIM-120 carrying plane, I don’t mind the rafale. However, I’ve recently started to use the Su-27SM, and its pretty much hopeless against the rafale. It doesn’t have the flight performance or countermeasures to sustain a BVR fight against a rafale, getting close to it is hopeless, and the rafale can lock you on radar a long time before the Su-27SM can. What I find the most annoying with the rafale is the insane flight performance, and then the radar+ missile set. The combination of the AESA+ very good missiles (and up to 8 of them) nullifies planes that carry the R77, Derby and R-Darter, which have similar range and worse maneuverability