You completely missed his point of how it’s the parts that make the plane overbusted are what should be looked at. I can’t comment on the Gripen, but even when the EFT was the no.1, i’d never used the double-pylon because giving up ARHs for more 9Ms just wasn’t worth it.
HMD and the two additional MICAs give the Rafale an additional edge that it simply doesn’t need cus it already has the best radar and FM in the game, EFT having more IR missiles at the expense of losing 120s was a trade-off, not a straight up upgrade. Equalling them is simply stupid and quite frankly biased on your part.
Except he’s been inconsistent on that front. He’s arguing on one hand that the 8x MICA loadout and HMD should be removed because that is what makes the Rafale “busted”. But when pointed out that the features are also available on other aircrafts which aren’t as dominating, he is okay with their removal as well. So should it be removed from solely the Rafale due to the Rafale’s dominance or should it be removed from the Rafale as well as all other aircrafts having similar grey areas?
And he’s right on that, altho it’d be busted even without them due to the fact Gaijin gave it more thrust than it should have in order to make it match available data.
So should it be removed from solely the Rafale due to the Rafale’s dominance or should it be removed from the Rafale as well as all other aircrafts having similar grey areas?
Sure? I don’t see how EFT losing a loadout option that 99.9% of its player never use would affect it but whatever. Probably why you “never see” it talked about, nobody even remembers that the dual racks exist (so there goes your gotcha moment…). I didn’t at least til I saw you mention them c:
I didnt play WT for a while around the time the Gripen A was added, seeing as I was moving and bpred with the game at the time. I also didnt know it wasnt supposed to have an HMD until later, because once again, I dont like the Gripen as much as the Rafale.
The EFT was never the best jet in-game, and once again, I wouldnt mind if they removed the dual pylons, nor did I ever think the dual pylons actually made it any stronger barring in niche scenarios.
Yes for the Gripens HMD, no for the EFT twin racks, largely cuz nobody brings up the twin racks due to them being so unproblematic.
Pretty sure it’s to make Rafale more inline with other aircraft (which is why I find it strange that you brought up dual-pylons, as they had nothing to do with EFTs performance and their being in the game or not never mattered). I’m not him at the end of the day, so you’ll have to hear it from him.
But when pointed out that the features are also available on other aircrafts which aren’t as dominating, he is okay with their removal as well.
Tbf his stance is just “treat everyone the same” if what you’re saying is an accurate representation of his arguments, it’s about as good as it gets when it comes to forum users. However, on the other hand, bringing up features on other aircraft as some sort of botched defence for the ones on the Rafale is just plain and old “but what about the ohters” haha.
It certainly was the best jet in-game when it was first added before the Rafale could have been argued to be better, since it came on launch with 6 MICAs.
It had the best flight performance which was offset by the absolutely terrible radar. Yes, if you managed to get into a 1v1 guns only, it certainly was the best jet in-game - other than that, no.
Then there’s not much discussion to be had anymore if your reality is that much different than mine. This is pre-nerf EFT and pre-buff Rafales. EFT was regularly regarded as the best vehicle in the game with Rafales being “just fine”. I challenge you to find any YouTuber having regarded the Rafale on launch as the best vehicle in the game.
Im actually arguing that those are the most obvious ways the Rafale could be toned down without it being an ahistorical nerf, not that they are what make the Rafale broken.
What makes the Rafale broken are that its either best or second best in class in literally all regards of air to air combat. Theres no single issue with it barring how prone gaijin is to buffing it despite its overperformance. Glad you strawmanned your way through this diwcussion tho 👍
Gripen A having HMD at the BR it now sits at is laughable, it should definitly be removed.
As for your question on my view of grey areas, like ive already stated, I personally would prefer if they removed all the grey area stuff in general and just went for historical accuracy, but since thats not what gaijin does, as they tend to use grey area stuff for balance purposes, its less of a concern when its on vehicles that arent problematic.
Id also like to point out that I’m not actually advocating for the removal of both 8x missiles AND the HMD. I suggested that the easiest/most balanced way to tackle the problem that is the Rafale would be to first look at the ahistorical buffs it has, and take either the extra missiles OR the HMD away to start off and see how that impacts the game balance before proceeding with more changes.
Ive been consistent in my stance for a very long time, you just seem to make up inconsistencies in it by misunderstanding or misremembering what I said anytime you find it convenient to do so.
Cool? I’ve played the EFT at release, I never had much luck with it in BVR until recently when they implemented “TWS+” so yes, there’s not much discussion to be had here, I’ve actually experienced EFTs evolution in this game firsthand, as it’s gone from a 1on1 beast but a meh BVR duelist to a good 1on1 jet and okay’ish BVR duelist. I actually know what it was good at and what it wasn’t good at, so I’m not simply simplifying it all to “muh best jet” like many others for the sake of an internet argument.
If it happened to be second best in class then what would be the first best in class?
Except HMDs was never a balancing measure. Vehicles simply get HMDs regardless if they’re the best or not so long as they had been tested as the bare minimum.
It’s good to know where you stand on this but it still stands that in practice you haven’t been consistent and also never called for its removal prior to me bringing it up, same for Mirage 2000-5F which were added before Gripen A as well.
By the time we’re done arguing about this, proper counterparts to the Rafale is likely to be added.
Also, my previous argument stating that the Rafale is fine as is currently was never addressed.
The Rafale should definitely get the MBDA “SmartGlider and SmartCruiser” when everyone else gets their new TV/IR guided glide/cruising bombs that were leaked last dev server like Israel getting the spice 250, and US getting Stormbreaker.
