That’s not how wiring works.
They are two entirely separate aircraft.
6 store positions can’t turn into 8 without wiring.
Mirage 2000-5F was always wired for 8, and the only reason it couldn’t bring 8 is fire control system processing which no one has proved it can’t do.
I am not really talking about wiring but mixing up variants something they like to do.
Everything we have suggest it can not though. All sources that mention the amount of missiles say “up to 6” and the brochure does not list any AAM for inner under wing pylons.
They don’t mix up variants though; what “looks like” it isn’t it once you dig deeper.
8 missiles come after a few AESA radar versions, there is no version of the standard Rafale with 8.
And no, there’s zero evidence that Mirage 2000-5F can’t carry 8 missiles, in-fact there’s photographic evidence there is.
However, France and China are addicted to flying their aircraft as barebones as possible rather than with weapons attached.
Cause reasons.
Arguing with Alvis is futile. Mate makes up what he wants, and barely provides sources. Barely provides in the sense he will find the least credible source to agree with and then provides it. Argues the alternative the moment you call him out.
Hence best to wait for someone else to give a figure.
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@Fluffy_Bucketles accusing Ares’ information that’s in the original post as well as a response to me in the middle of the topic of being uncited and made up by me.
Way to insult everyone wanting Rafale, Fluffy.
Keep claiming Ares, France, Dassault, and I are all making things up.
This is the post Fluffy is claiming is all made up BTW:
those have been integrated by upgrades.
alike F.1 and F.2 Rafales being upgraded to F.3 standards.
and knowing that Gaijin will do a bold (stupid) move of telling us that 1 frame will be representing 5 variants,… that’s plausible. (alike Mirage 2000-5F, representing both “-5F” ; “-5 mk.2” ; “-9”)
Yeah that’s why 5F has PGM’s.
If you have photo of french mirage 2000-5F mounting 8 AAM I will gladly admit I was wrong.
There many photos of them flying with 6 six missiles.
Yeah you are right its pointless.
depends on variants,… (if you were talking of rafale)
didn’t saw any proofs that wiring was enabling 8 missiles on Mirage 2000-5F
Yeah like that’s my point i dont really understand what he is talking about.
Store positions 2 and “8?” [the one before the final store position] are wired for missiles and have been since the 2000C.
They’re also wet pylons, and the primary ferry/training/demonstration fuel tanks used.
Meanwhile two people are claiming that Ares’ own words are wrong without actually responding to his posts.
Instead of acknowledging statements, their posts are just being argumentative.
Mate’s goal is to derail. Not really to contribute, best not to engage.
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No we are saying that gaijin can and does anything they want with their game.
And now @Fluffy_Bucketles claims that Ares and I are derailing the subject by talking about the Rafale.
Fluffy’s posts that are antagonizing Rafale posters makes him look terrible.
what i’m claiming however, is that those Wires are gone when those Mirage 2000C became Mirage 2000-5F and in such those 2/8 pylons aren’t enabling AAM Loadout on those stores anymore.
if it remainned possible, Dassault and AdA would have asked Thales for the upgrade of the system (within the 3 main upgrades that Mirage 2000-5F have been through).
even more considering such systems are easily update on the Mirage 2000-5F
You have to prove they were removed.
The only proof regarding Mirage is that CAS wiring is optional.
There’s been no posted proof that interceptor wiring is optional for any of the known store positions.
This is also the Rafale discussion, not the Mirage discussion.
true,… then i’ll rebound on this:
from which you said “6 total”
and which
Rafale 4.1 is where it’s upgraded to 8, and Rafale begins using AESA on F.3.4 and F.3R.
That’s in the post included in multiple of my posts today, as well as in the original post of this topic.
I wouldn’t be opposed to the removal of 2 missiles on 2000-5F and Rafale having only 6, if they fixed MICA EM tbh. That and an eventual MICA IR addition down the road
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Do you guys think the Rafale we’ll be getting will have SPECTRA? I know some of the Mirage 2000’s have MAWS systems but SPECTRA kinda seems like more than just MAWS.
If they do add it, It’ll probably just be another MAWS system without the EW equipment, right?-
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