Because most of the time certain people here are baiting the EF people here with comments how this or that is bad on the EF.
It was specifically mentionned he didnt think the EFT could do said thing, so I provided info on it being able to, and why most modern planes likely can as well.
Also, Ive said this about a billion times now, I like both and have both. I do however find the EFT community more reasonable to deal with.
I did however think about answering his question in an EFT thread, since I knew atleast one person would get their panties in a twist over seeing the letters “EFT” in this thread, but elected not to, since the comment was still in compairison to the Rafale and an answer to someone elses question in this thread.
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Can we vote “None of the above”?
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After the game update, the Rafale’s MAW still doesn’t indicate the missile’s position like the EF-2000 does.
Also, the MAW detection range is still only 5 kilometers.
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Afaik, the report on this is still open.
MAW detection range was reported to be 27km, still open. DDM-NG still is given DDM stats but DDM itself should be reported to 10km soon so they may change DDM-NG to 10km until they resolve the 27km report.
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Are there any reports on missing informations on the HUD?
If you’re referring to this bug report, the RWR already does range missiles in-game with the MSL mark on your RWR. The report does not seem to indicate SPECTRA has any way of ranging missiles that do not have their own radar emitters, such as IR missiles and SACLOS SAM’s.
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You’re keeping up with my reports better than I am! I will have to include sources today showing how SPECTRA can range missiles even if they do not have emitters.
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How is it measuring range passively? Stadiametric ranging? Triangulation?
It isn’t doing so passively, IR-MAWS cues the the AESA antennas that cover the aircraft spherically, and these AESA antennas send a small beam to the missile tracking its trajectory and jamming if needed. We don’t have jamming in the game but they can atleast model the part where the missiles are being tracked by the AESA antennas.
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“RF detectors” and “Passive Ranging” they don’t emit.
Passive ranging is via the RF detectors, so as they’re passive that ranging can only be for incoming active emitters.
Thales makes no claims here it is using the Jammers to range a target. Just sector coverage. Given traditional jammers are normally fairly indiscriminate in direction of jamming, sector jamming would help to solve the jamming unintended targets problem. But again no ranging capabilities.
I think you are conflating the capabilities of multiple sensors.
UV MAWS can provide an accurate bearing in azimuth and elevation.
RWR can provide passive ranging and bearing in azimuth and elevation of active emitters, as well as ident etc etc
LWR can provide accurate bearing in azimuth, elevation and range(I think).
So for a IR missile (passive threat);
MAWS sees it, RWR sees nothing, and LWR sees nothing. Fuse that together and you get IR missile alert, exact bearing in azimuth and elevation for the threat.
for a SARH/ARH (active threats);
MAWS sees it, RWR sees it and LWR doesn’t. Fuse together you get, Active missile alert, exact bearing in azimuth, elevation and passive ranging. Then the jammers should kick in cued up by the RWR.
edit; just fixed up some grammar & formatting.
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Sources specifically state SPECTRA units such as LWS, MAWS, and RWR/Active antennas share information within the units and cueing each other based on the information. It isn’t as simple as data from each of the sensors being gathered/collected and then the data plots being fused to be displayed, rather the sensors also work/cue together. The AESA antennas are specifically said to send directional beams tracking threats. We don’t have jamming, but at the very least they should track the missiles. I would note that Thales often leaves out information that their archive websites state or doesn’t leave out.*
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Tracking=/=ranging. You can track a targets position in elevation and azimuth but have no ranging information. Also a jammer doesn’t need range to target, only it’s position in elevation and azimuth.
Right and exactly zero of those sensors is ranging a passive threat. You can share passive ranging from the rwr to inform the jammer should that be needed. But it’s an RF jamming system, it doesn’t need range data.
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True, I’ll have to make sure the report includes sources stating ranging.
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We have range indicator for target now, finally
But should there be NCTR for the Rafale?
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It should however be capable of doing that in the forward sector where the radar is tracking though.
It has it in game right now, at the very least. When I took it out in test flight, it identified the MiG-15bises as such - wasn’t in the mood to play AirRB this morning so I can’t speak to peer planes, but it seems to be pretty good!
Claiming that ‘the Eurofighter has comparable sensor fusion to the Rafale’ omits the fact that the latter’s sensors have far greater functionality and more extensive data fusion. To provide some examples:
- Rafale’s radar is able to cue the TV sensor for higher precision 3D target tracking. On the other hand, PIRATE does not possess the capability to accurately track air targets.
- Eurofighter merges the outputs from all sensors to filter out any possible outliers. On the other hand the Rafale can compare and cross-reference data during the processing phase to further increase the overall accuracy of the data as opposed to mitigating outliers.
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