This paper only discusses a hypothetical IRST. PIRATE has never had a MWIR sensor:
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The developers rejected this report as it provides no values and the drawings themselves present on many of these documents may simply be visual illustrations and not accurate or representative (to scale) limits. As such, no action can be taken with just these sources alone.
Regarding the separate matter of the EFT IRST, not every source used to reach the concluded outcome in game may be presented on the closure of a report. Sadly this is not always possible or practical. So some sources used (whatever may be most relevant) can sometimes be presented with the response.
Should more sources become available for the Rafale’s IRST limits, then new reports can be passed again for further consideration by the devs.
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Two separate documents (primary) were used. Developers have no problem using the same method to figure out radar gimbal limits in other reports, so there’s an inconsistency in that aspect.
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So “OSF field of view” doesn’t actually mean “OSF field of view” and the DGA is not a reliable source as they somehow wouldn’t have access to such information?
And they say a picture speaks a thousand words…
Would you be able to please show us the other sources used for PIRATE’s field of search then?
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Sadly we can only relay on the conclusion reached by the developers. As I mentioned above, should new sources become available that provide more tangible limits, then new reports can be passed for further consideration.
Unfortunately no changes will be made based on these current sources alone.
Hello. While I agree with some points you made, I still believe it’s unreasonable to completely discard the values proposed in primary sources diagrams and still use place holder values coming from the Mig23, a decades old technology compared to the rafale.
It’s be like comparing the performances of early Cold War tech to the M1 Abrams. It would seem afar more logical to give some credibility to primary sources documents(or at least give parity with the EFT using similar and (partially) French sourced technology) instead of using place holder tech from an outdated vehicle that has nothing in common
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The prospect of changing the limits has not been discarded entirely, as the devs mentioned in the response, they are open to further reconsideration should other sources be located that provide more tangible values. Sadly however, the current diagrams are not sufficient for the devs to make any changes from.
Oh yes becauses the game models electronic/avionic systems on temperature conditions.
Cool you ignored the range limitiations 70km+ in game barely 20!
The ability to detect ground targets
The missing ability to guide ARHM
😂
And how can this be used as a source, then?
There is nothing explicitly pointing to +/-70° being the azimuth limits. In fact, if you knew what “PPI” and “B-Scope” actually shows, you would realise that the IRST azimuth limits aren’t being shown here at all.
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I think they should at least be sufficient to prove that the IRST of the rafale should be cabale of of than 180º gimbal, since the diagrams clearly show it (even if we should not get exact and precise values form diagrams, the 180º limit is easy to confirm). However in game the total gimbal is still far underestimated.
Even if the exact values of the report can not be accepted, i still believe a 180º values should at the very least be considered
To be honest, it feels as though the developers are trying to avoid a large technological disparity between the Eurofighter and Rafale even if it was inevitable lol
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Should more sources be located to corroborate and agree with these values and shore up support for such limits, then it very well may be. Simply this is just the outcome of the currently presented sources.
So a diagram from the DGA’s optronic department (the department which directed the development of OSF) which explicitly state “OSF field of view” doesn’t actually show the field of view for OSF?
Can you not understand the mental gymnastics going on here?
Furthermore, the IRST specifically is an optronic ball that rotates, if the manufacturer so desired the IRST could have a 360° field of search in azimuth were it not for redundancy. So there is certainly no technological limit.
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As explained a couple of times now, currently the developers do not plan to make any changes based on these sources alone without additional sources to confirm more tangible values.
Whilst I appreciate the frustration, without new sources, this current report and its sources have already been reviewed and the report concluded.
A new report with new sources is more than welcome.
Could you please respond to this then:
Just so we can be sure there aren’t any double standards going on here.
I have already responded and you have quoted that response in your post here. This is one source the developers used and was one shared on the closure of the report.
I do not have all sources the developers used to model the IRST of the Eurofighter or Rafale.
Would you please be able to get back to us with the sources used by the developers? Because based on all the information available, it appears the devs are giving the Eurofighter preferential treatment to try and not make it completely worse than the Rafale.
No aircraft has been given " preferential treatment" and the Rafale has actually already had more corrections deployed than the Eurofighter in total to date. Work has been roughly equal on both.
Should you have more sources to show the IRST is somehow incorrect on the Eurofighter and wish to submit a report on that, the developers will need to provide whatever they used to decide the values in game if they don’t agree with whatever new information you have within that report.
However this is a Rafale thread, not a Eurofighter thread.
Then could you please pass this report: Community Bug Reporting System so we can all see what the devs respond with?
Because this presentation is not a source, and whoever rejected the report has no understanding of what “B-Scope” or “PPI” actually presents to the pilot in the Eurofighter.
This report has already been responded too.
A new report with new information is more than welcome.