What prevents launch AIM-120 further than 10km?
Nothing, but the opponent will have the time and opportunity to evade it beyond that distance even if he is head-on and above multipath height.
It is a function; if the opponent is at an altitude above 50m and traveling towards you, he has no time to evade when the missile is launched from closer distances.
I’m quite disturbed with the current state of the AASM.
The gnss one has tendency to overshoot it’s target when launch from 30 km
The gnss+ir always overshoot if the target doesn’t appear on the seeker during it’s flight path which happen all the time when you use it at really long range because the missile will loft and activate the seeker before it started to dive on the Target (if it is not affected by the same problem of the gnss only)
I don’t have the laser one yet
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yup, it’s most likely a guidance issue, afaik all three variants behave the same at long ranges, where they overshoot and have to pull hard backwards to hit their target
problem is known, made a bug report a few weeks ago here : Community Bug Reporting System 18
How easy they are to defeat, see the missile come up notch it chaff, wait for RWR to go off more chaff pull up or dive…missile will in most cases miss
As it’s IOG guidance is looking for where it thinks you should be.
The Rafale dodges your 120 while closing the distance and shooting MICAs at you, from angles the Typhoons missile cannot match.
1 v 1 the Rafale beats the Typhoon, in a standard load out and not guns only
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We know the IRST has a simultaneous function with the TV sensor in where the TV sensor can provide range, even with multiple targets being tracked. The TV sensor itself is capable of multi-target tracking with laser range-finder.
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Rafale should have stronger landing gear brakes // Gaijin.net // Issues
All thanks to @Mulatu_Astatke for providing both sources.
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Your own post indicates the TV sensors laser rangefinder is limited to 40km.
I refered to the IRST seperately because its its own seperate sensor and because you did so as well. Thats literally why I said:
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I’m well aware of this. It is why I didn’t state “guide”, but simply just fire.
Gaijin most likely could provide degraded capabilities beyond 40km with better capabilities and guidance within 40km, this is up until the Rafale F.5 which is said to offer double the laser range. It may or may not have passive ranging, I haven’t looked too deep into this, but the developers have stated something to the tune of, passive ranging requiring the host aircraft to commit maneuvers and so there is downsides to passive ranging.
Rafale radar display should always show friendlies // Gaijin.net // Issues
Thanks again to @Mulatu_Astatke for a source of his.
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Which is also what I said, sooo you’re either arguing to argue or just restating exactly what I said, but in an ambiguous way for some reason.
Posting this response here as well, but this bug report is an incorrect understanding of what the sources are stating. Saying this can be done irrespective of the radar or datalink makes no sense. The IFF interrogator generally uses the radar for its function, but can also use other sources, such as radio wave (ie; datalink system) or IIR systems. You could argue the Rafales IRST/TV sensor could do IFF, but saying the Rafale should magically display all friendly target locations at all time regardless of them being picked up by a sensor or receiving datalink data is wrong.
All its really saying is that the cumulative data acquired and fused allows the aircraft to display friendlies at all times IF there is a source of data providing their location. In-game datalink does not exist (except in the rafale, A-10C, and M2K5D-RMV’s HMD’s), which means the RWR or radar would have to do the work.
Could also argue that the Rafales is missing a display mode which combines radar and RWR contacts in one display as well, I dont have the Rafale yet, so not sure what its MFD’s do and dont do.
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tbh datalink is pretty common amognst everything at the BR range of the Rafale. im assuming its NATO compatible so should be able to work with entire US top tier, EFT’s and i think tornados, maybe harriers, gripens probably, even most NATO tanks im pretty sure, at least for iff purposes
Common yes, but not yet implemented in-game, which was the initial argument Gaijin made when it was bug reported that the F-16C should also be able to have IFF at all times in its HMD regardless of radar or not.
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/vgZoidxjgwWM
The fact the Rafale, A-10C, and M2K5D-RMV’s HMD’s all get datalink functions nobody else get in-game despite bug reports is already a kick in the teeth. Apparently the devs think their HMD’s work on the magic of friendship and pixie dust at the moment.
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with rafale now their is more of a case for this to be added to other aircraft.
Datalink isnt a system unique to Rafale, or even that the Rafale was a first implementer of. Pretending that now that the Rafale is in, theres more reason to add systems that have long been missing from other aircrafts is incredibly pretentious. Just like all the ppl that are mad that EW isnt a feature in-game now that the Rafale was added simply because the French boast a lot about their Spectra’s capabilities. EW has been a system on planes long before the Rafale was even first conceptualized, certain EW+CM pods already exist in-game, and have been around for years.
The habit of pretending that its a notable feature of the Rafale and therefore justifies its addition now when it wasnt justifiable before is laughable. The A-10C had Datalink in-game before the Rafale was even leaked. The bug report linked above similarly predates the Rafales introduction in-game. Why the devs added IFF datalink to only 3 planes in the first place is beyond me. I used to believe it was being tested on strike aircrafts only because they needed the help, but then the Rafale got it for free as well, so that theory flew out the window.
The Rafale doesnt justify the introduction of datalink into the game, its already here, its just being limited to the french and one american plane for some reason, presumably because the devs dont understand how it works considering their response to the SADL bug report. Sensor fuzed displays of friendly targets with radar targets also isnt unique to the Rafale btw, many planes ingame should already have the ability to always display friendly targets on a screen using datalink and other sensors, its just not done because “theres no such thing as tactical datalink in the game now”. Hell, the cockpit MFD for the Su-27SM and MiG-29SMT is literally the russian datalink screen, just with many missing features…
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yeah, US jets had it since 1950’s. we really should have gotten that IFF stuff with the F-16C tbh. EW is pretty complicated though so i dont think theyll add it for a while anyways.
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Datalink IFF should either be added to all planes with datalink, or none. This situation where one fighter jet and 2 attackers get it and nobody else done is insane. Its also one of the big reasons I wasnt a fan of the Rafale getting the HMD it did in-game, since as I said, if the argument was “well it NEEDS an HMD for balance” they could’ve given it the 2 circle HMD as seen in the above Su-27SM screenshot, or seen on the M2K in-game and it would have been more than enough, but instead they gave it the single best HMD in-game, with magical pixie dust IFF function that nobody else gets to have for free.
As for EW, yeah its very complex, and more notably, the general player base of WT struggles to understand even basic radar missile combat and both IR and radar countermeasures, EW would likely be largely perceived as black magic, and a LOT of complaining would occur.
This can already be seen with the players that want EW added because “itll render radar missiles useless so we can get back to dogfights only!”
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absolutely, all that should be added to everything that had it, as well as air defence radar ground control like SAGE for F-89, as well as F-94, F-101, and F-106 (when they are added) + buffs for twin seaters with WSO like F-15E and F-14.
i think EW will come with 2 way DL missiles like the 120D and full TDL implementation, that will be harder to fool even with EW
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Three different primary sources consider the IFF interrogator as separate sensors from the datalink and radar.
The report should be implemented just based alone on the fact that the Rafale’s HMD can provide teammate locations already. I should include that in the report.
This was reported, yes.
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It is important that the Rafale gets certain IFF functions and features without getting bogged down in the whole datalink mess. Framing it as datalink is wrong, and would get the report denied.
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