I can hardely understand how a WT player can prefer 6 missiles over 8…
If those players are looking for a high and historical realism level, then War Thunder is probably not the good game.
They want 6 missiles with IRL MICA performance over 8 underperforming MICA. Which is totally understandable, I am happy with both solutions (8 bad MICA or 6 good MICA). But 6 good missiles would be more accurate to real live and not necessarily OP.
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Welp. I got the Rafale yesterday. Currently stock so I have to play a bit conservatively and save my MICA for sure shots.
This thing is straight up insane. I’m sorry, it doesn’t need any buff whatsoever. MICA don’t need buff either. This thing handle like a freaking biplane at high speed, I barely even notice I’m above mach. Defending against missiles has never been easier, and on top of this the radar sees EVERYTHING, the TWS just show you everyone, all the time.
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Go spade the Rafale (only use 6 missiles) and Typhoon after that play 15 games which each aircraft and write your performance down for each game. Then see which aircraft is better (for you). After that you can also do a test with 8 missiles on Rafale and see if that changes the result.
My Typhoon is also stock.
And honestly the TWS is performing so badly on that plane, I’m not sure I’m gonna play it a lot until they fix the bugs it has.
Right now, I’d take the F15JM over the Typhoon despite the worse flight performance.
We dont have military service techtrees in game, it doesnt matter
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Yes but not by the French airforce, but its used by India and all the Rafales that Dassault shows at the expo’s (like the Paris airshow). To my knowledge its not known how the pylons are sealed of. So IDK much work it would be for the Fransh airforce to retrofit there own F3-R for the 8 missiles configuration.
Lets not resort to insults
If you don’t think this plane is a straight up upgrade to the 2000-5F in every way, I don’t have the words lmao.
The flight model is amazing, the radar is amazing, the MICA are deadly when used right. It’s never been so easy to defeat a long range Aim120.
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never felt the raf as a downgrade from the 2K-5.
you’re wrong about letting the MICA as they are just because you think they’re strong enough and not because their behaviour is wrong
FM is amazing? maybe but still not so correct specially at low speed and the radar doesn’t behave like an AESA, not even as a PESA.
just because you feel it right for you doesn’t mean that the plane is fine and should be left as it is
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We’re NOT getting an AESA functioning like an AESA until all the others nations gets one. I thought this was obvious. This is already the best radar in the game, right now.
It handles like a dream at high speed. Do you really need more ? Low speed combat is entirely irrelevant in Warthunder at this point. When was the last time you had a full dogfight ? Energy retention, acceleration, handling at high speed are the most important things, and Rafale has it all.
They’re more than strong enough for the game. Again, it’s a freaking PVP game, play DCS if you want a full simulation. Buffing their behaviour would just make them overpowered.
Honestly, it sounds like many of you are just extremely biased and want Rafale to be the best plane in the game, period. That’s not how it works. That’s not how it is supposed to work.
then why do you persist with nonsense like “the game is like this”? no it’s not, at least not 100%, low speed combat can always occur and BFM is still relevant, specially in SIM AB (ok it’s a niche but at least some still play it).
i do want balance in PVP but neutering (or artificially buffing) vehicles for the sake of it is not my shot, if that’s the case then there’s no point of making historically accurate suggestions or bug reports based on documentation or else because then the game wouldn’t be so different from ace combat (a perfectly MP balanced game btw /s)
mica is great at bvr imo and the radar is fine for now
With a full AESA we could point at the entire enemy team at 15km, look 8 of them, fire 8 MICA at once and go home.
You can do this already and with any other radar.
No you can’t, you have to change TWS target between every shot. AESA can track 8 at once.
So you dont even know how real tws works. What we have ingame is meme. Irl you can literally designate tws tracks from 1to X and then start launching. No plane in world allows you to launch everything at once. Mechanical tws works same as aesa, its just not constantly updated, otherwise it works the same.
Blame gaijin for adding scuffed TWS where you cant predesignate tracks.
You’re right on that one. I’m not that versed into how real radar works in detail. However a full working AESA would be undeniably a game changer. Can’t we just be happy with having the best radar in the game as of right now, again ?
Until rafale and mica are not what they should be no.
Yes it would but i dont believe gaijin can even do it to this level anytime soon.
For finding targets, you still need some sweep and dwell time otherwise the radar won’t see anything.
You’ll have to wait for a long time. MICA IR aren’t even on the table as of now considering how insane they would be. Meteor even less. That missile have a NEZ of 60km IRL. AESA will probably be formally introduced with the japanese F-2, and most nations ingame don’t even have a PESA in their top tier fighter yet.
A buff I’d like to see on the Rafale would be the ability to fire MICA EM from the IRST. That would be kind of crazy strong in Sim however.