The brimstones weren’t operational on German aircrafts so that’s also ahistorical
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Nah, its a rules for thee not for me moment. No point in arguing, gaijins stance is that the french are allowed to get HMD and 2 extra mica’s just cuz its either been tested or is on other nations rafales, but the germans arent allowed PIRATE cuz it was only ever put on their test EFT’s and other nations EFTs.
Its 100% pure hypocrisy, you arent gonna get a reasonable answer. The exact justification gaijin is using to(rightfully) deny the german EFT PIRATE is also being used to add stuff to the French Rafale that it didnt have. Thats their official stance on the subject. France must be best.
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I can hardely understand how a WT player can prefer 6 missiles over 8…
If those players are looking for a high and historical realism level, then War Thunder is probably not the good game.
They want 6 missiles with IRL MICA performance over 8 underperforming MICA. Which is totally understandable, I am happy with both solutions (8 bad MICA or 6 good MICA). But 6 good missiles would be more accurate to real live and not necessarily OP.
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Welp. I got the Rafale yesterday. Currently stock so I have to play a bit conservatively and save my MICA for sure shots.
This thing is straight up insane. I’m sorry, it doesn’t need any buff whatsoever. MICA don’t need buff either. This thing handle like a freaking biplane at high speed, I barely even notice I’m above mach. Defending against missiles has never been easier, and on top of this the radar sees EVERYTHING, the TWS just show you everyone, all the time.
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Go spade the Rafale (only use 6 missiles) and Typhoon after that play 15 games which each aircraft and write your performance down for each game. Then see which aircraft is better (for you). After that you can also do a test with 8 missiles on Rafale and see if that changes the result.
My Typhoon is also stock.
And honestly the TWS is performing so badly on that plane, I’m not sure I’m gonna play it a lot until they fix the bugs it has.
Right now, I’d take the F15JM over the Typhoon despite the worse flight performance.
We dont have military service techtrees in game, it doesnt matter
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Yes but not by the French airforce, but its used by India and all the Rafales that Dassault shows at the expo’s (like the Paris airshow). To my knowledge its not known how the pylons are sealed of. So IDK much work it would be for the Fransh airforce to retrofit there own F3-R for the 8 missiles configuration.
Lets not resort to insults
If you don’t think this plane is a straight up upgrade to the 2000-5F in every way, I don’t have the words lmao.
The flight model is amazing, the radar is amazing, the MICA are deadly when used right. It’s never been so easy to defeat a long range Aim120.
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never felt the raf as a downgrade from the 2K-5.
you’re wrong about letting the MICA as they are just because you think they’re strong enough and not because their behaviour is wrong
FM is amazing? maybe but still not so correct specially at low speed and the radar doesn’t behave like an AESA, not even as a PESA.
just because you feel it right for you doesn’t mean that the plane is fine and should be left as it is
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We’re NOT getting an AESA functioning like an AESA until all the others nations gets one. I thought this was obvious. This is already the best radar in the game, right now.
It handles like a dream at high speed. Do you really need more ? Low speed combat is entirely irrelevant in Warthunder at this point. When was the last time you had a full dogfight ? Energy retention, acceleration, handling at high speed are the most important things, and Rafale has it all.
They’re more than strong enough for the game. Again, it’s a freaking PVP game, play DCS if you want a full simulation. Buffing their behaviour would just make them overpowered.
Honestly, it sounds like many of you are just extremely biased and want Rafale to be the best plane in the game, period. That’s not how it works. That’s not how it is supposed to work.
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then why do you persist with nonsense like “the game is like this”? no it’s not, at least not 100%, low speed combat can always occur and BFM is still relevant, specially in SIM AB (ok it’s a niche but at least some still play it).
i do want balance in PVP but neutering (or artificially buffing) vehicles for the sake of it is not my shot, if that’s the case then there’s no point of making historically accurate suggestions or bug reports based on documentation or else because then the game wouldn’t be so different from ace combat (a perfectly MP balanced game btw /s)
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mica is great at bvr imo and the radar is fine for now
With a full AESA we could point at the entire enemy team at 15km, look 8 of them, fire 8 MICA at once and go home.
You can do this already and with any other radar.
No you can’t, you have to change TWS target between every shot. AESA can track 8 at once.