- F.3 - (F.3 Late) **
DDM and OFS system re-added
So we want to fix it by bringing in lased ordnance that is: very visible, pretty slow, with a long guidance range provided you’re daft enough to sit there lasing it. Or a short tracking range if you lase it in the terminal approach.
Seems different enough to warrant sooking.
The devs will not implement LOAL mechanics. That was confirmed multiple times including at the addition of the Brimstones. In game, IR AASM will not pick up a lock after losing it. They will not pick up a lock when guiding with GPS. They will remain GPS until impact
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So it could just not use air to ground armaments in war thunder, at best it could have the gps one ??? other than that nothing in ground from what i understand ? No ?
then bug reports should be made.
this kind of Gaijin is made in order to nerf several nations (namely NATO) over the others (namely russia)
Laser PGMs can be fired from much farther away. Thus they can be lobed from outside the SPAA range and enter their defensive range with their engine turned off. They are much less visible and harder to defeat this way.
So you realise on dev the AASM with IR guidance targeted a point via GPS-simulacrum initially with the seeker aimed at that point, and could acquire an IR track once it was within range, right? So it functioned effectively the same as the laser option minus having to lase the terminal approach.
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There are no sources for that tho. The OSF-IRST is F4 specific, and I have found no evidence any were added to F3 Rafales. At least not those that weren’t retrofitted to F4 at the same time
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Some AGM65 do work that way in game. That is not the case for IR PGMs, nor was it during dev for IR AASM.
Things to note in regards of AASM; all variants share the same performance (currently underperform, but already reported), only difference will be guidance method.
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It was, don’t know what you’re on about, given I spent almost the entirety testing rafale’s air to ground capability on Dev and it functioned this way consistently. If the seeker couldn’t see it, it didn’t acquire it, but if it did then it began to track. Very similarly to most other AGMs with an IR seeker including the PGM.
Thanks to the individual for reminding me, but it behaved very similarly to how KH38 re-acquires a target, but with a far easier designation of target area.
According to this logic LOAL capability should be present on Kh-38MT … guess what it isn’t so yeah i don’t know where you are going with this .
Regardless imo F3-2 standard whould had been the best choice considering it integrates everything Gaijin was looking for except for the AESA radar which was not needed to begin with .
As for the x6 or x8 MICA as it has been proven the technical capability has been there way before the F4 standard was even a thing . Operational service is not required in War Thunder so there is nothing to add to it . If x8 MICA are required ( in case Typhoon gets double pilons seen in the files ) then Gaijin has all the means to add x8 MICA .
Rafale were equipped with IRST since at least F.1. F.4.1 got an entirely new IRST, which can also be clearly seen on close up pictures.
IRST is not installed on every single Rafale cause of multiple reason; Budget, Stock, Safety. Especially during peace time and Airshows (not counting Demos) it wouldn’t be equipped as its electronics are quite sensible and can be damaged during a rough landing.
I absolutely agree with this.
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Should not have talked about this when WreckinAres is reading the thread. Now we’ll hear about it lol
I’ve talked about it often enough, as with Tech Mods. I’ll ignore this topic unless smth changes ingame.
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The IR channel was removed early during the F3 standard production. It might be due to the sensor not working properly (Bruno Clermont on LinkedIn: Caroussel_100eme IRST_Thales.pdf), but it can be easily discovered, either through looking at the new capabilities of the F4, “bringing back an IR channel” thanks to the OSF-IRST, or talking to mechanics/pilots who confirm the removal of the IR channel on all F3 standards.
You can go through all pictures of rafale with a working IR sensor (except f4 obviously), they’ll be missing the DDM-NG system, having the older DDM. DDM arrived with the F3 version around 2013.
I have yet to find a single counter exemple as of now
Edit : The OSF system arrived only on the F2 standard. It’s usually coupled with the IR sensor. The IRST has definitely not been presenter since the F1. As can be easily seen googling Rafale F1 missing both sensors on the nose
You claiming that IRST should be installed from F1 to F4 is precisely identical to people claiming 8 missiles is possible for the F3
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Because it means a lot of QOL updates to stay on par when future stuff comes out
And i personnally think these tend to arrive too late (when it doesn’t matter anymore, in other words).
Rafale F3.2 would have been far enough if modelled correctly imo
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The picture shows a Rafale M LF.1, which lacked OFS entirely. In case of F.3+, only the IRST was replaced with a mockup, the TV channel mostly remained.
But, if we already have them now, we won’t have to wait for them
And that point would be pointless
Yes, that’s what I mean. The IR channel was removed, and only added back on the F4 with the new OSF-IRST