@Mathll will recall this as well.
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You are calling out the creator of the whole thread to not want a mutant rafale lol.
Its a fact the current war thunder rafale does in fact not represent the in service french version.
Thats all he wanted. Not to mention that france should have gotten a pesa rafale first either way ,but whatever
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unreasonable? most of the last post from this thread was attacking the Bug Reporter for cherrypicking the source. If it was about Rafale, then you could just talk about Rafale at the least. And again, it’s happening again, strawman all the way.
Here it’s pretty common the the thread getting derailed again and again to attack Rafale just because of everything.
It’s good finally Rafale get counter reported, hey at least you all can celebrate your bloody report, I’m sure this will press the French winrate and K/D.
The issue is the degree it occurs at in this thread. There are unreaosnable people in every nations playerbases, but the people in this thread are on a whole other level of unreasonable. DirectSupport makes a new “MICA bad, needs buff! Rafale irrelevant!” cry post every update, and everyone who strays from the group line of “Rafale F3R needs HMD, 8 missiles, fixed missiles, and isnt blatantly overpowered, its all just our fantastic player skill” gets attacked or flagged.
Thats why theres so much animosity. In other threads, you can ignore the few crazies, with the Rafale, the thread is mostly composed of the crazies.
That aside though, I hope someone gets around to reporting the acceleration now with the new information we have regarding the bug report, as its mid-speed acceleration is definitively overperforming. I might have a go at it, but id have to spade the Rafale to do so, and its a horrendously boring plane to fly, so I’m not sure i wanna put the effort in if someone else is already planning on it.
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I was asked to show people who were of the opinion and I complied.
Ignoring certain people, of course people will be hyper passionate about a specific vehicle in their threads. It’s perspective, people here could go into the Eurofighter threads and think they’re “crazy” too. These threads each are in the thousands of posts, of course the people in them REALLY like their planes.
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The problem is this being a multiple reaccuring thing by the french specialy targeted at the RAFALE. Its not derailing. Its us voicing our complains about the rafale having received falls buffs on the missuse of sources. While other reports by gajin stay untouched.
Whats derailing about talking abiut rafale reports? We literaly are talking about rafale performance. You seem to be attacking the wrong thing here
Call me biased, I never seen any vehicle specific thread that are constantly getting attacked for being overpowered, and to some extent personal attack to the Bug Reporter.
I don’t think it’s nor a pure coincidence that this thread wasn’t as active as before, because when it’s active, then it was mostly the cope army coming yapping non stop about Rafalebeing overpowered (I understand this problem, but hell, none of this would become reality it Gaijin didn’t being arbitrary towards EFT). At least since the last 2000 post I seen here.
But hey, that’s my observation, I could be wrong.
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Fineee let’s just ignore some of the last message around 9 hours ago that mostly are attacking the Bug Reporter for cherrypicking the report.
Firstly, it’s tedious, but I think with all the posts the antagonizing is tiring. To your point what immediately comes to mind is the KH-38 thread, which devolved into a ceaseless hate thread on everything Russian.
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Its not a personal attack to say the bug reporters are liars when they are repeatedly found to be lying by misusing and misrepresenting sources to get favorable buffs for the Rafale, or nerfs to their potential rivals. That’s just stating a fact.
Vehicles get attacked all the time for being OP, the Rafale is actually on the lighter end of things, theres just very few Rafale threads in the first place, with this being the only notable one besides the cry-posts made to buff the MICA every update.
The Rafale being beyond broken and the EFT being nerfed are separate issues. The fact they are often discussed together is cuz they were added at the same time and because the Rafale was/is treated with blatant favoritism while the EFT is treated with obvious hatred and scorn by the devs, with the Rafale receiving buffs for the exact same reason the EFT was denied buffs on occasion.
Fixing the EFT would decrease the level of Rafale dominance and increase game balance to some degree (more nations would have competitive jets), but doesnt change the fact the Rafale should be at minimum a 14.7, more likely a 15.0+ aircraft in its current in-game iteration, so all other nations would still need to catch up to the Rafale and EFT in the event the EFT was actually fixed.
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You know what, I’ll admit to you that the due diligence issue is a creeping problem. I mean because War Thunder is also a game, getting caught up in wanting the best for your “thing” and making it the most meta causes a lot of bad actors to step up.
But we’re mostly just players, we aren’t the final line on checking these things. And that ultimate failure is just in how swamped the process is for the Mods having to check, and the Devs finally implementing.
You saw it yourself, reports even blindside the creators of this thread.
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Man you really can’t be serious.
In the end this is a rafale thread. The reason you are seeing animosity when you come whining here is that as long as someone starts talking about the rafale in anyway (and keep in mind this is a rafale thread, there’s always someone coming and complaining about the EFT.
Even for a goddamn pilot model change, there comes @MythicPi here to complain about the EFT…
I usually don’t have any animosity in other threads, as you might have seen. I think I’m usually being pretty chill in other threads (such as the EFT), because I absolutely agree that there’s some major issues with this plane, but I don’t always bring the rafale in that thread either.
You guys can’t stop derailing the thread, complaining and whining, that’s a given that fans of the rafale are getting highly annoyed with you and are more and more agressive.
If you want to complain about the rafale and EFT, there’s a thread just for that - and you should notice there’s far less animosity there because it’s acknowledged that this thread is made for this specific purpose
And @MythicPi dont take it personally that I mention you, you just have the last message that wasn’t cleaned up doing just this
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It was a report about the rafale.
Thats the end of it. And apparantly from what we found out, the french community did in fact knew about the problematic report beforehand and avout the changes made by the pilot to the fuel warning. And did decide to not intervene in the matter and just let it go trough.
Lets just say the reporter did not missuse sources and did a genuine mistake on not noticing it. Prominent french members that are active in the bug section were aware of it, still let it go trough for their benefit
And know Zayf, who made the report for the rafale, and I can assure you that this was not done malisciously. The fact that the bingo appears 1 minutes and a half later could also explain that he didn’t actually look at that part specifically and missed it.
But if we start blaming reporters for misusing sources, I’ve got some for the EFT as well…
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/yLTLXyw6s9tj
Here flame claims that the PIRATE acts as a passive LRF, using a source talking about PIRATE’s missiles slaving capabilities that directly mentions that PIRATE would need and external LRF for future improvements, directly contradicting the claim he had using the source
There were also several times were a few people gatekept sources for the EFT and claimed it was u overperforming, with all the community backing them, and when someone actually took the time to go to the British archives and shared the documentation that was gatekept, everyone could see that according to those documents, the EFT was in fact not underperforming in most metrics.
If this isn’t at least as bad as what you claim the French reporters are doing, then I don’t know what is
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Ah yes, and how do you arrive to this conclusion ?
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Well, calling them a liars is such a bold statement to be honest, and again not making counter report (except for the latest counter report which is good) definitely would help Rafale getting nerfed to its “Historical” performance.
Well tbf, I rarely played Ground, so yeah that’s why I say I could be wrong, I never know Kh-38 thread was filled with that kind of bashing. But in defence of this:
I don’t see any problem with this, like, what’s wrong with crypost? It’s also happening in the EFT Thread. So we’re cherrypicking free speech now?
At first you said this:
And then this:
It’s yourself that bring this as part of the issue, and regarding the BR tbh there’s nothing we can do because it’s Gaijin sole decision to decompress the BR. Gaijin being blatantly favourting France (despite only in top tier air specifically) is Gaijin’s fault, not the Bug Reporter. The bug reporter being lying is the actual seperate issue, because if so, you and your friend should make counter report of it, which is the last report are actually good and at least can satisfy your hatred towards the French Playerbase.
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Some of the mods have proven to not be the most… unbiased… people out there, with there being quite a few very questionable bug reports getting accepted, sometimes within minutes of being put up, only to be shut down later by another mod actually checking the sources validity and tearing the bug report apart. A recent notable example of this being this bug report claiming the MICA was missing kinetic energy
The devs failing to actually do their due diligence though is flagrantly unacceptable, but not unsurprising considering their track record at this point.
Well, every mod has their bias towards certain aircraft, but in the end their bias means nothing if Gaijin denied it.
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Mods are people too. They can have bias. Having spoken to some, they have their preferences, and yeah that’ll one way or another influence which report they look at first. Commitment to the task is more important when the job is not only voluntary, but heavily laborious.
A lot of them come from the community, so of course they will have their choices one way or another on prioritising reports. But that isn’t to say they’re inherently malicious for that. Though I do admit the lack of personal touch on some report reactions leaves pretty bad connotations when sudden and without thorough explanation.
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