IIR, i’ve heard (R&R “leak”) is planned to be modeled like 2x IRCCM, so will probably have both Gate width and seeker shutoff, but wont be IIR.
But im just talking about attributes like lock range
Technically it is also a core capability of Aim-9 as well (and probably most IR missiles already in game). And most ARH missiles. so I dont put it past them
I was more on the datalink part. Fox 3 in game are « LOAL » in the sense that they can be guided by the plane until pitbul, but I know it’s not the actual LOAL capability, it’s just me not using the correct language sorry.
As for datalink capability, that is one of the main differentiator between the ASRAAM and MICA IR. I know late AIM9X also has it. IRIS-T does not and late r73 either. I don’t really know about the PL10 and Python tho.
I would expect datalink capable missiles will be able to launch without a hardlock while the other will require a hardlock, but then I really hope they work on the range of the seekers, because right know basically all of the modern seekers (from AIM9L, PL8, Magic 2…) to manpad missiles are stupidly underperforming
I specified the analogue bus IRIS-T (and ASRAAM), which basically act as AIM-9Ms on rail. To my understanding, they cant do over the shoulder LOAL shots, and due to basically being an AIM-9M when on rail, make both missiles significantly less capable pre-launch. Post launch they’d still be borderline unflareable though.
Afaik, there is no version of the PL-10 which act in a similar manner, so a fixed PL-8B with a mix of both FOV reduction and seeker shutoff (from what I understand) makes more sense as a counterpart imo.
One oddity ive noticed about the PL-10 is that it seems that it should be very similar to a MICA IR, having almost the same dimensions (160mm diameter, 3.0m length vs 3.1m of MICA, 105kg vs 112kg of MICA), along with a very similar layout, but is only stated to have 20km range vs the MICA’s 60-80km range when air launched. I wonder what the discrepancy is between the 2 that lead to such a range imbalance. It could be the difference in strakes, the slight extra weight of the MICA, rocket motor capabilities, seeker limits, or maybe trajectory shaping, but it could also just be the Chinese underselling its max range.
The PL-10 does have vastly superior gimbal limits compared to the MICA IR though (±90 deg vs ±60 deg). The MICA IR actually has unusually bad gimbal limits when compared to all other modern IR missiles, being inferior to every other one I know of, including the R-73 already seen in-game.
That’s a possibility, though itd be different when compared to current in-game IIR missiles. All current in-game IIR missiles only use FOV reduction, but the FOV reduction drops their FOV to 0.1 deg, down from 120 deg. As an interesting sidenote, the Kh-38MT is one of the few IR AGMs in-game NOT to have IRCCM, which is pretty odd when its the IR AGM in-game with the single best seeker.
If you mean “gatewidth” on missiles like AGM-65D, I don’t think it does anything
gatewidth is the FoV after lock-on
But if it’s the same value as the FoV before lock-on it shouldn’t make any difference …
Kh-38MT:
"fov": 0.1,
AGM-65D:
"fov": 0.1,
"gateWidth": 0.1,
Magic 2 (as an example where it does make a difference):
“fov”: 2.4,
“gateWidth”: 0.75,
My guess is:
Something like 2-3 deg FoV before lock-on (To help with manually locking targets)
Around 0.4-0.5 (“gatewidth”) after lock-on
Possibly ability to more effectively defeat it in some aspect with the new “fuel dumping” mechanic
gonna be great, when we have to find sources that certain jets are able to fuel dump
Yes but that is because Germany, France and UK did not have planes to rival the f-16, f-15 and to an extent the su-27 that is the reason why rafaels and typhoons were added this early to the game. SU-30SM was added because USSR lacked radar and missiles at top tier Air battles.
Everybody is gonna be farting fire during takeoff and throughout the match …
I wonder if friendlies will take damage if you torch them with fuel dumping …
Most IR AGMs have a gateWidth of 0.1 deg if you check the guided weapons spreadsheet
Yes
But it has no effect as far as I understand
Your FoV goes from 0.1 before lock-on to 0.1 after lock-on
I.e. it’s the same value …
Oh i see what you mean, seems different ppl made the IR AGMs and they just have different code notations, which have ended up making it seem like some AGMs have IRCCM and others dont when theyre all mostly the same
The gameplay is the issue.
If AIM-120 saves you from Rafale the guy with the Rafale did something wrong.
At the best ranges for MICA the base R-77 is decent enough.
You also have a better chance with R-77 to notch while firing compared to AMRAAM which is needed when fighting Rafale.
You only have to adjust to the different gameplay a little though the differences are not as meaningful as one might think.
its workable with the AMRAAM but yes, it’s incredibly easy for a rafale to get close and take you out. The rafale flight performance is equal to that of the eurofighter and the MICA is much better missile within approx 15km. You’ve highlighted the problem- the Rafale can easily avoid the one thing its not good at and then once its close, you really don’t have many options. Sure the R-77 is good enough, but the Su-27SM/29SMT flight performance is horrific in comparison and makes it difficult to effectively get into notches and fight back
Superior I’d say. MICA also can reach out further than 15km though at 15km and below chances of surviving it really are slim.
SU-27 and MiG-29 are not necessarily worse in flight performance than other aircraft.
Even Eurofighter is limited after the nerf.
the 27SM and 29SMT are some of the worst high tier flight models. pretty much only the F-15E turns worse
nop, that only applies to the MiG29
Never really had that feeling recently.
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someone understands it, and before the russian main accusations roll in, I have UK, USSR and israel at top tier
What did you say? @vizender
It doesn’t matter, the 27SM IS NOT, one of the worst flight models at top tier.
It’s high speed and rating performance is plenty good, the J-11B is even better though their low speed perf could be better and should be revisioned.
Both of em are on par if not better than the F16C.vi