As Mikey said, its busted in all modes, its just most busted in sim. As the CC mentionned, it was already busted in sim before Hornets Sting, to the point where it was generally considered that whoever had Rafales was going to win the match, and yet it was still buffed a ton during Hornets Sting while its competition was nerfed.
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Is scan loss modelled for ESA radars in the game?
https://www.matec-conferences.org/articles/matecconf/pdf/2019/53/matecconf_easn2019_04001.pdf
https://warhistory.org/media/2024/01/AESA-A-Game-Changer-in-RADAR-Technology.jpg
https://www.rellpower.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Anokiwave_AESA_Revolution_White_Paper.pdf
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not as far as i know
you dont have any issues locking onto someone that is at the max radar range, while also being close to the max gimbal limit
I can’t see what this message was.
It was this video:
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This post was flagged by the community and is temporarily hidden.
This post was flagged by the community and is temporarily hidden.
He brought up the problem the Rafale is causing and this thread silenced him as usual…
Now this will be deleted because speaking against the Rafale gets you auto flagged here. Great environment you got here.
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Ahh okay, I don’t think there’s a solution to fixing the “dominance” of the Rafale in air rb/sim besides adding more advanced counterparts even though the YouTuber is against it. And the youtuber’s suggestion of “tuning down” the Rafale won’t work as Gaijin simply withhold reports for balance, instead of actually balancing aircrafts. In fact, it is likely the Rafale will get more buffs next patch. I still maintain Rafale was added too soon and M2K still could have gotten more buffs.
There’s a report to somewhat reduce its G overload but that can be mitigated somewhat in air/ground RB with an instructor report if needed.
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I don’t have sources to claim that the Rafale needs to be tuned down, so I won’t be here asking for that.
I was simply reporting the video that was flagged, even though I think the original post was flagged for the 2nd part of the message.
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Oh I was just commenting what the YouTuber was talking about, giving my thoughts on the video.
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Ah fair enough, I misunderstood your post -_-
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Starting by having it not overperform in the same area’s the EFT was overperforming would be nice. But yeah, I agree it shouldn’t have been added so early.
You cant see it cuz the ppl in this thread mass flagged it as off-topic despite it being a video discussing the Rafale in WT
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There is a pretty easy way. Removing the HMD or the 2 extra MICA the jet was erroneously given would be the best way to start.
Removing the 2 extra missiles would drop its combat endurance/impact to that of a light fighter (down to F-16/Gripen level)
Removing the HMD would reduce its ability to just sit near the notch while baiting ppl in and fire HOBS MICAs with literally no counterplay available from other players. Would also reduce its situational awareness in air SB.
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While I agree, don’t give them reasons to add an even more advanced Rafale variant XD
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At this point, adding an F4.1 wouldnt make much of a difference anyways unless they also gave it new missiles.
Realistically, most nations ingame are now pretty well balanced at this point, with France being a massive problem and outlier in air to air combat.
The clear fix to this is to remove the stuff it was given that it should not have. Either one or both (its way more reasonable to remove one of the 2 and re-assess).
Btw, the jet is so problematic, one of the players from BIH mentionned that in test formats for a tournement where Rafale is legal ends up with the meta just being everyone plays Rafale because nothing else comes close, and he hopes its completely banned from the tournement scene until something is done.
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Whether I agree or not, it would be an unfruitful endeavor, we would be wasting time on this. The HMD had been tested, you’d have to be consistent and ask for it to be removed on the Gripen A, Yak-141, and Mirage 2000-5F as well. There’s no point in harping on things that the French community by and large does not wish to see and also that fulfilled Gaijin’s requirements. Something that I think should be “nerfed” and largely has the French community’s agreement is removing the Mirage F1’s Magic 2s.
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It should be removed from the other jets as well seeing as they did not operate it, im not sure why you think id be against that. The gripen A and M2K5F ( particularly deserve it to be removed as they both exist at BR’s where almost nobody else have HMDs, so its particularly unbalanced for such good airframes to retain HMDs.
(Edit: For some reason I was thinking of the M2KCS5 when I said the M2K5F was at a BR where jets usually didn’t have HMDs, which is also a mistake, cuz the CS5 doesn’t have an HMD, my mistake. The M2K5F losing HMD and getting dropped in BR a bit wouldn’t be bad though)
Thats a silly argument. You said theres no way to fix the Rafale problem. A solution was provided, and now you dont think the solution should be discussed because “there’s no point in harping on things that the french community by and large does not wish to see”?
You’re just admitting the french community is biased and refuses for balance to be brought back to the game with respect to the Rafale.
You guys are just enjoying abusing your broken plane and refusing to discuss the fact its broken or any ways to fix the issue.
As a sidenote, other possible solutions are arguably worse for the game, either because they will skew the imbalance some more across other nations, or will add munitions that have ranges that further exacerbate issues like map sizes and player counts.
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It’s not a silly argument, it is quite sensible and commonplace that when something is in a grey area, the feedback/input surrounding the subject is determined by the feedback of the community. If the community by and large did not want to remove Magic 2s from Mirage F1 for exmaple, I would not bother bringing it up. Part of life is learning to work with others and knowing what changes you can make where you can.
For instance, you’ve been wasting your time arguing about removing HMDs from the Rafale when you could have made a suggestion thread or aircraft thread advocating for removing HMDs from multitudes of aircrafts that fulfill certain criterias, but presumably you’ve been avoiding doing that because you’d know you’d receive pushback from the community at large.
I’ve already said, and many here similarly have said something to the same effect that the Rafale was introduced too soon and the Mirage 2000-5F could have just been fixed and moved up to 14.0, it is still pending a climbrate report which would increase its acceleration as well and just last patch had its topspeed increased and is now one of the fastest aircrafts on the deck. It also had MAWS sensor fusion added as well. It would be fine at 14.0. Still needs to have its 8 missile loadout removed down to 6. That is far more realistic and arguable.
Also, this would be a relatively controversial statement but it is fine if Rafale is “broken” (overpowered) if it gets certain things fixed such as doing 20Gs or whatever. For years Russia, Germany, and US has been dominating in air, so it is healthy for the French tech tree to introduce more players into its tech tree and giving players reasons to grind the tree and thus the aircraft.
With how powerful the Rafale is, players are assured that it is going to remain relevant into the future when/if they decide to grind it knowing the grind will be worth it rather than regretting the grind as I have noticed that was one of the biggest reasons for why players have yet to play France. With a slew of more buffs this last update coming alongside the Su-30SM and F-18C Late, players were able to see that the Rafale still had a place in the game and any concerns of Rafale becoming outdated were misplaced.
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