Dassault Rafale - Variants, Characteristics, Armament and Performance

Oh yeah personally I much prefer using laser AASM because they are not as dumb to use as IR AASM.
My only 2 issues are :

  • the spawn range of planes is way too close to the battlefield. Spawning at 15kl puts you directly in PANTSIR range which is very annoying (for all aircraft)
  • the rafale still doesn’t have time to target information on its laser guided weapons, which is a completely stupid oversight and makes the AASM laser a bit unnecessarily annoying to use at longer range since the missile is slow and you don’t get information on when it’s going to hit

Also (like other pods I assume) the Damocles and ALTIS pods are missing sight stabilization that allows them to keep the picture horizontal even when the plane flies at an angle compared to the designated area, and it’s a bit annoying in the angular limits of the pod.
The AASM is also missing a significant amount of off bore capabilities to deal with SAM from a longer range as well.

Well hopefully that will be changed soon as well.
If every nation gets advanced spaas, spawn point in general will need to be reworked.
For good or worse is another matter.
But as of right now the game literaly is unplayable at top tier cause of cas.
Everyone and his lother is only playing russia since they dominate to much.
I never saw the game in such a broken state before.

I agree with that statement, but then something would need to be done about KH38. TBF having F&F AGMs on any aircraft while no SPAA is F&F (except for useless manpads) turned out not to be a good idea (who would’ve thought). It also means any form of F&F Brimstone won’t be added for now

Tbf it has been an issue since the F5 first got the AGM65s. The KH38 just compound an issue that always existed. I am personally not a fan of those FnF weapon in a PVP environment but they, nothing to do here

Yeah, I personally would prefer top tier spawn to only be from the airfield (like in sim), with said airfields 30km or more from the battlefield.
On one hand, the planes will have to fly to the battlefield meaning they won’t be able to shot instantly when they spawn, but on the other hand they’ll be able to takeoff undetected by SPAA and take advantageous position more stealthily, and not get zapped by PANTSIR (and potentially new advanced SAM) right when they spawn.
Looks more like a real gameplay loop this way than the current spam

India will, they have accepted the ASRAAM as their IR missile of choice.
For Su-30MKI, Tejas, Mirage and Rafale

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Im starting to suspect the Kh-38MT might not actually be able to hit moving targets (or even be operational) tbh. About 60-70% sure atm…

Sources are super slim on the thing tho, and I havent found any smoking guns yet.

This is Correct.

The IR sensor can not be used for tracking.
It is a fixed imaging sensor that uses a wide field of field of view, low fidelity, low refresh rate processor to compare IR images with uploaded satellite/map/targeting pod data to validate the target grid coordinates prior to impact.

Similar to a cruise misisle, if the target is not validated, the weapon aborts itself.
Edit: actually not 100% sure about this one.

It does not have the ability to track moving targets and is only accurate to within 10 meters.

The guidance computer is usually pre programmed on the ground, but suposedly the Rafael can update this data using a targeting pod.

I dont believe it is in service or even adopted with only the KH-38ML being seen mounted

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My presumption is that the targeting pod provides GPS/map coordinates, and the mission computer can provide map data for the target area.

Time to target doesn’t properly work for anything that doesn’t have the ballistics of a dumb bomb ingame, same for ccip

Examples:

  • Paceway 4
  • Grom 2
  • GBU 39

Even then, it still would be better than nothing burger.
Especially when the GPS/laser dual mode allows for initial GPS guidance and quick laser switch a few seconds before impact, thus allowing the plane to only show itself for a limited period.

The funny thing is that the AASM even shows on the radar screen as if it was a regular missile (same interface as fox3), meaning that the game definitely does have all the informations but just does not display them to the user

Also the rafale does carry basic paveways that would definitely benefit from this

Multi-beam is already implemented and it works in time-division manner in TWS mode if radar has “TWS ESA” feature.

Features like multi-zone search and air-to-air / air-to-ground if useful for players may be implemented later.

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Primary source is explicit that the AASM IR is capable of re-finding its target even if the target had moved, in fact the primary source is a press release after testing had been done to see if the AASM IR would still have found the target after it had moved (which the press release confirmed it did).

Given that it is vehicles that move, and not buildings/roads that should answer your question.

Also primary sources assert recognition/identification capabilities.

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From reviewing all the primary materials, the AASM-IR should be capable of being launched at any distance towards a target after the Rafale downloaded images from targeting pod to the AASM-IR, for it to travel until it is 1.5km above the given coordinates (total distance may be greater as the 1.5km is just the vertical distance).

From there, the AASM-IR is able to lock onto vehicles that have moved and even discriminate against vehicles. For instance if it was told to target a Russian tank but the original tank had its turret blown off, then it would no longer be recognizable as a tank and instead an intact tank (usually an operating one) should be targeted if in the same area.

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Hmm are you able to show this (i understand if you don’t want to which is fine)

I doubt it woukd get the IR lock removed anyway due to game convention

In a few hours I’ll post all the screenshots and cite the sources for each one.

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It seems like the Rafale M deal for India will include a lot of stuff like the one of f16 for philippines.

If possible the whole pages would be great

Simce there have been cases now where sources have been misused and information has been deliberatly misused like the IR only starting to work from a 1.5km rannge.

Besides that about the databank in general and it avoiding blown off turrets i would fully understand. But thats likely spaghetti code issues where it would still go to intact wreckages. Since most kills in war thunder are over exagerated the image stuff cant realy be used

What is the source?

It should be stated again that the IR seeker will only turn on 1.5km ABOVE the target once it has reached the “basket”, likely meaning the seeker range is somewhere around 2.5km

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