Dont think thats a general thing in the game yet.
Currently it just goes to IOG/GPS right now.
You propably will have as much success withbthat report as us trying to get gajin to implement multispectral smokes with chaff to counter mmws
There are sources showing it can target tanks, more specifically the Rafale can download images to the AASM of specific targets that it wants the AASM IR to look for. Typically though firing AASM from 50-80km away IRL would mean that by the time the IR variant gets there, a moving target is far from the given GPS coordinates. And these GPS coordinates cannot be updated mid-flight while laser AASM can update position of targets.
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Same sources state the laser is meaned for fast moving targets
The image saving thing wiuld just realy be for stationary parked targets to tske them out
If the IR, would be as good as you all claimed fpr moving targets. There would be no reason for SAL AASM in the first place
Static tanks for sure. From the available material the scene would just be matched with the target point where the tank is. But it’s not tracking the tank persay, it’s seems it uses the edges of the scene to inform the guidance. That way you can still hit your target point even if the scene is slightly different.
But it doesn’t really track things in the traditional sense.
IIR Hammer is clearly a very accurate weapon system. As has now been documentated in video over recent years. Just doesn’t work at all in game like it should. And largely would only come into it’s own if GPS/GNSS accuracy gets modeled.
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It’s even worse, it just flies off into the distance currently if a target smokes up even if the missile has IOG or GPS.
Goes off into lalaland at the slightest issue.
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That is a thing Agm 65F is not in the game. And the agm 65g is apparantly baseg on the D. So those just might lack that.
And for the likes of KH38 the IOG seems to always work
How does SCALP/Storm Shadow operate? Sources compare the algorithms behind both seekers.
Taurus works pretty much the same as well
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I’m asking more specifically if its IR seeker can only track stationary targets as well
This is for Taurus, and I think Taurus is different in that it actually operates an imaging head the whole flight for guidance using known terrain features being matched to what the KEPD can “see” and where its GPS/INS system say it should be, but this is a video of the actual terminal stage of the Taurus KEPD from the seeker POV, so it can maybe give a better idea of what these seekers are “seeing”.
I knew id seen this video before, I just had a really freaking hard time remembering where. Taurus also has a 2 way datalink tho, and can be retasked or strike moving targets afaik, though the only moving target that would warrant a KEPD would also be a ship.
SCALP definitely isnt meant for moving targets except maybe ships, likely similarly to the AASM
Stored imaginery. Its pretty much the same as AASM. So i would expect yes to a limited degree
Does very much. Termina phase should be identical to Storm Shadow and AASM.
Very nicely matches with AASM document
Matches the seen area to the pre programmed area, and once it confirms it is the correct place, it corrects itself ono the designated target in said area.
Stationary only to my knowledge.
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As far as I know Storm Shadow / SCALP has no moving target capability. To my knowledge It has never been advertised as having an anti-ship capability, and in Ukraine the only ships it has hit have been ones that are in dry dock or otherwise moored / stationary.
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Taurus at least is advertised for semi stationary.
Might be the small differences like constant optics being active
Semi stationnary is more likely “stationnary targets that have moved before the missile hit” in that it has a 2 way datalink, so it can send back info and receive new coordinates to target. I dont doubt it could hit a moving ship either considering the seeker, but it’d likely need to be guided to the appropriate coordinates to pick it up in the first place.
I think thats where it differs from AASM.
I’m not sure how to interpret that TBH. I guess it could mean it has a capability against some form of moving target. But personally I’m leaning towards it meaning stuff like S-400 / Patriot air defence systems; they are not stationary targets in that they can move (unlike buildings / bunkers), but would be stationary at the time they are attacked.
Edit: Or as Mythic said targets that are stationary when attacked but have moved position slightly compared to when the strike was planned.
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Well, considering the AASM can access the rafale database before launch to get the information of how a vehicle looks like, as long as said vehicle is still in the seeker FoV and missile capabilities, the missile should still be able to connect with said target even if it moved from the original targeted area/is moving slowly.
That’s similar to the MMW brimstone which I believe has a rather short range and «goes « pitbull » only a few kilometers from target, according to this document (well more precisely it should detect the target a few kilometers before impact):
While the rather small time window the AASM has after seeker activation and its more limited maneuverability, especially at those range, doesn’t make it a very good system against moving targets (and mostly useless against fast moving ones), it’s not a capability that I believe is impossible.
But anyway, it depends on how the IR target is actually transferred to the missile by the rafale. And as only the rafale is said to be able to transfer informations, as @DirectSupport mentionned, I wonder how the RMV AASM would work. Is it preprogrammed before launch (like the SCALP) ?
If so, it would be completely incapable of targeting moving targets
SCALP Storm Shadow also use terrain feature guidance for the whole flight.
Actually, I would tend to believe that both missiles use the same base algorithm for their guidance, seeing that the guidance system of both systems are very close and the system used by the SCALP and AASM seems to also be used by the German, although on which system is not said (but the Taurus is the only German system that similar to the SCALP hence my assumption)
I might be misunderstanding, but I’m almost 100% certain the IR head cant hit a moving target specifically due to how it works.
The “seeker” isnt really a seeker from the sounds of it, its just an imager thats used to compare images and not continuous video feed to what its supposed to hit.
This section mentions the imager tries to match the scene to its pre-programmed target image:
This section mentions this is done twice, which sounds a lot to me like its taking 2 pictures. 1 at 1500m alt, and then another from closer in where it tries to get better resolution for that 1m CEP.
Which to me implies it is not continuously comparing what it see’s to what its meant to target.
If its really only taking 2 pictures then theres no way its hitting a moving target.
The key point to me is that it mentions that the onboard guidance will produce an error vector based on comparing what the IR head see’s vs what its supposed to see, and adjusting trajectory to compensate for the error. This in no way means its locked onto a target and guiding in real time, it means its checked where it was going to hit vs where its supposed to hit, and adjusted accordingly.