likely this is due to the heat signature changes based on speed of objects
Rafale guys how well does the Rafale do against the likes of the Su-34/Su-30 etc.
Took the Typhoon 2 turns to get behind a Su-34.
Just wondering if that is the case with the Rafale?
Never got into a dogfight with either tbh, just a Su-27SM recently, which I got in a single turn (MICA EM + HMCS rules).
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Nice! In ground battles the Typhoon really struggles and with the Su-30 R-77-1 makes it very dangerous
R77-1 really are a ;middle ground between aim 120 and mica. great range and great offbore capabilities. Can’t be used the same way as the mica in very close dogfights, but in most engagements its just as good in close range (unless in 1 circle dogfights but then there’s the r73)
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No, it can be and is pulls nice amount of G and can be used in close range along with the R-73.
Difference is the Typhoon cannot avoid it at those ranges :(
Your doing something incredibly wrong if that’s happening I happily sit on the back of all flankers before the first turn is even complete.
Sorry for the low quality, I had to downscale to post this :), I have to agree with you, these R-77’s can pull some insane turns (not like micas ofc) and hit, like it hit the poor gripen in this video haha.
(My bad if you guys might consider this off topic, I just wanted to contribute to Vizender’s argument)
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Do you have the Typhoon?
In ground battles so that’s with ground attack munitions.
The Su-30 can beat it close range and Typhoon doesn’t have HOBs or Missiles that can pull more than 20G
I wouldn’t be saying any if I didn’t have it. I use it for CAP in ground battles.
Exactly and nice flying!..Makes it very hard for the Gripen and Typhoon as they only have 9Ms that don’t pull very well and 120s that are poor within 5km :(
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You just saw what the Su-30 does to the Gripen and the Typhoon currently is borderline/worse in dogfighting.
You cant really defend vs a Su-30 with that Radar and missile combo. It is as dangerous as the Rafale (only like everything Russian more plentiful)
Su-34 can also cause Typhoons problems again superior Radar and the R-77 and R-73 combo is no joke.
it is trivially easy to beat an su30 in a dogfight with a ef or gripen, infact its trivially easy to beat anything in a dogfight with the ef, take like 5 minutes to learn the weaknesses of whatever your fighting and it becomes a guaranteed win for you.
I don’t need to watch a video to know what they can do. If I felt they were a problem in a dogfight I’d mention it but they are not. Considering most merges are starting at Mach 1 plus as all anyone ever does is cut tree tops at Mach Jesus. if you aren’t air braking and getting your speed down to pull in harder and start turning in on them in the 1st circle idk what to say. Because that’s how I’ve been dealing with fighting them and well it’s working very very well. And you can comfortably sit on the tail of them for the rest of the fight unless you make some absolutely silly move.
They pull as hard as Typhoon now, they pull more AOA in places and they don’t have the super fun 25% engine power loss when pulling high AOA.
You also don’t always know when you are going to merge as the Radar is blind. You are trying to find jets using the RWR
if my radar can’t see them I switch to IRST which will see them then switch straight over to radar fire off a AMRAAM. Failing that I use my mk1 eyeball. It’s pretty easy to tell when you’re going to merge just using your mk1 eyeball. Pulling more AoA doesn’t equate to them being able to out dogfight you. It might mean they pull better initially. But considering they already have a worse STR all it means is they are going to suffer as the fight goes on if they end up pulling to much high AoA to often there STR is gonna fall through the floor. Typhoon sustains itself significantly better than a flanker especially so the longer it goes on.
Oh and if you’re carrying a massive payload of brimstone just jettison them.
Where is the NCTR in the cockpit?
Its currently missing, as it is in multiple jets atm. Don’t think anyone’s bug reported it, and I dont have any info on how it should look, so I cant either.
Sim is mostly an afterthought for gaijin, I’m surprised they haven’t just removed it yet with how little attention they actually pay it.
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/RhENzXesA9hb
Still waiting for this one to be fixed rip rafale was told in December that its being worked on and would be fixed in the major update but here we are still nothing
Looks like EFT has one quarter of the HMD symbology and the Rafale has half, witg both missing the full deal lol.
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