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You’re writing nonsense.
Lmao, ever heard about the difference between static thrust and dynamic thrust?
Both curves indeed display a 75 kN static thrust, but the increase with speed is steeper on the prototype bench chart.
I know about static and dynamic traction. But the static thrust in an airplane at H = 0, M = 0, will be much lower.about 58 kN
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Typical inake loss in game is rarely higher than 10%, often closer to 5%. That would mean worst case scenario 68.5 kN per engine for the Rafale.
Except intake design on the Rafale is much more modern and efficient as most 4th gen fighters, and it’s optimised for subsonic and overall low speed performance. Hence an intake loss closer to 5% or even lower.
So idk where that 58 kN came from, but you’ll need to rethink your expectations.
doubt that you cant even see the compressor blades of the rafale.
meanwhile the su-27 has an efficency loss of around 10% in game (not sure about IRL),
i dont think that it is physically possible for the rafale to have a lower loss than the su-27 or even f-14 for that matter
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Intake efficiency depends on more parameters than whether or not you can see the blades though.
Both Su27 and F14 were optimised for M2+ flight, around 60s and 70s knowledge.
Rafale was explicitely optimised for subsonic flight and benefitted from the 80’s breakthrough in aerodynamics knowledge and CFD.
So I don’t see why it wouldn’t be more efficient than both F14 and Su27 at subsonic speeds. The contrary would be surprising even.
but from what i know it plays a big role, right?
there is only so much you can do when you have to route the air throug an S-duct
These are pressure losses, not thrust losses. The correct way is to make a complete calculation, taking into account pressure losses
It’s just ridiculous.
That’s the truth.
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Su-27 has more thrust than needed on AB
Sauce ?
Afaik 23% intake loss isn’t a thing in game, at least for top tier jets.
possible,
my point was just that it doesnt really make any sense for the flanker to lose more thrust than the rafale
Math man math
0.9×101325=91 192,5 Pa
Fass Flow= m×p*/sqrt(T*)×q (lamda)×Fin
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he is talking about real life
The Rafale requires specific installed thrust to meet certain sources. Sources state the Rafale when weighing at 16.1 tons will take-off in 9 seconds. The current in-game intake losses meet those requirements. Take-off is determined by weight and static thrust or thrust-to-weight ratio. A reduction of static thrust would mean that the data-points no longer are being met and is then unrealistic.
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If you compared “official” thrust figure and in-game static thrust for each top tier aircraft in-game, none of them would show a 23% intake loss.
Your “maths” don’t add up with how the game works.
Also yeah I forgot to mention the current supersonic performance matches or underperforms all known data points.
What exactly is pressure loss? How is it different than thrust loss?
This isn’t relevant to the game.
All it comes down to is the amount of thrust that is lost between installed and bench thrust. And all the aircrafts in game follow a basic percentage reduction law.
You wanting 58 kN means a direct 23% loss according to Gaijin’s modelling, which isn’t anywhere close to what they did for other jets. End of the argument.
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Well, that’s a lie, since sometimes gaijin can be adjusted according to Zhukovsky’s schedules, and it’s also wrong.
They did this for other planes as well.
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What planes have 20%+ intake thrust loss in-game?
MiG-23,29, Su-24