I will not stand for this British slander
I shall sit and watch instead, enjoying my Rafale to keep my morale up between grinding for J-11
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LOL
I play both FGR4 and Rafale.
And I’m not French either.
Funnily enough there are many sources from the US.
But they ignore them because of course the British document on a missile that wasn’t even fully developed yet nor was in British service, is more authoritative …
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with missiles, at a particular altitude and full fuel… yes
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They can of course make it work as a radar without knowing the band.
But they can’t make it emit anything (as a radar should) “because they don’t know the band”.
This article should count as a secondary source (and the author seems to be a highly regarded subject matter expert).
https://www.armadainternational.com/2019/10/deep-dive-on-the-dass/
Meanwhile all of the Praetorian systems in service, and awaiting construction, include a Ka-band (32GHz to 38GHz) radar-based missile approach warning system
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Authored works (secondary source): Reference books on collections of vehicles/aircraft/ships (‘coffee table books’), biographies, specialist books, “expert” opinion publications, industry magazines etc. At least two unrelated sources required.
So one more secondary source is required …
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Interestingly, they add radars all the time and give them the default I-Band without having specific sources on their band all the time, so that isn’t really a good excuse.
Thanks, I should be able to find the magazine version of this.
Nothing the British document says is incorrect, the tech mod just didn’t understand what they read and made a mistake. They could just have easily read the AGM-130 sales brochure and drawn the same conclusion.
The AMRAAM mass situation is a tad complicated in that it was indisputably 148 kg at some point in development, with mass growth occurring at some point late in development. IIRC Gaijin’s statement was that they would be retaining the early mass because they had primary source firing envelope information (both from Hughes and British simulations) for that version and wanted to keep consistent. Questionable decision but they seem unwilling to change their
How? The whole basis of the report is “the MAWS should trigger RWRs” but without knowing the band you can’t tell what RWRs it should trigger. Making it trigger every RWR is likely even less realistic than making it trigger no RWRs.
That article claims that the RWR coverage tops out at 10 GHz which is blatantly wrong. If they cannot get the RWR frequency right then it is questionable how accurate their information of the MAWS is.
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Gaijin already routinely implements radars in-game giving them the default I-Band which triggers every RWR already, even when they do not have sources on the radar’s band. This would be no different.
If an aircraft’s radar came into the game without a band, a bug report would be accepted pointing out the lack of band even if the report did not contain a source on the band itself.
If it’s functioning as a radar, then it should emit something.
Nobody asked for it to “trigger every RWR” …
They could at the very least assign K band to it, allowing at least some (top tier) RWRs to detect it.
But instead they choose to assign no radar band to it, making it detectable by no RWR.
Not sure how this decision is defensible …
Unless they think it uses some mystical technology and operates at even higher frequencies, making it detectable by no existing RWR …
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/iXRn0TjfCqit
@k_stepanovich Currently Praetorian MAWS which was changed to a radar based type, has no radar band assigned to it, making it undetectable by all RWRs.
There is this secondary source (and the author seems to be a highly regarded subject matter expert) claiming that the radar-based MAWS operates in the Ka (K) band.
https://www.armadainternational.com/2019/10/deep-dive-on-the-dass/
Meanwhile all of the Praetorian systems in service, and awaiting construction, include a Ka-band (32GHz to 38GHz) radar-based missile approach warning system
While not enough for a bug report, surely this could still be acted upon on a “common-sense” basis …
It is understandable that you wouldn’t want the MAWS to be detectable to “every RWR” without having a proper source for it.
But common-sense dictates that as a radar it should be emitting at least something and be detectable to at least some RWRs …
Currently the Ka/K band is the band that is detectable by the least number of RWRs in the game (only the most advanced ones, found on aircrafts such as Rafale and the EFT itself).
So it would make sense to make it detectable, at least to them …
Yeah apologies it’s late and I mis-interpreted what you were aiming at. Also I have indeed seen certain people suggesting the Eurofighter should light up like a Christmas tree on basically every RWR.
That would be a solution but there is still no way of knowing how accurate that would be. I’ve been looking (a lot) and not found any information on the MAWS band that amounts to more than speculation. I’ve seen speculation ranging all the way up to M-band for what the frequency could be. I personally consider that unlikely, but like I say all I have been able to find is speculation.
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I notice the report chooses to omit this part of the brochure despite using the brochure as a source. Surely it is at least worthy of a passing mention in the report? @DirectSupport
Such a reliable subject matter expert that he got basic details about the RWR wrong…
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That’s mostly marketing and “low power” is a relative term …
If a missile’s brochure claims “high maneuverability” it doesn’t mean it’s impossible to out-maneuver …
The report doesn’t use the PVS2000 brochure in the report. Report is now closed so I cannot edit it, here’s whats included. The files included are just to provide sources for the attached images.
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The report is just mainly to deal with the fundamental disadvantage of pulse-doppler MAWs in general rather than Eurofighter’s MAWS specifically which is why the majority of the sources are dealing with literature on radar-based maws.
Reports dealing with key features of certain pulse-doppler maws would have to be separate I’d imagine.
Unrelated but I think there should be a Super Etendard SEM-5 with all of its features, Magic 2s, GBU-49s, thermal targeting pod, and a Rafale M to come in the same patch
More naval France, please!
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F-8P as well!
I want to suffer with no flares and IRCCM missiles
Mine now
With how fast things are moving outside we might see another reason for the rafale to be claimed by the british and adding one to the US too…
why? we have enough of our own stuff to have us going for years, maybe even decades at the rate they are adding US stuff
I am not saying the opposite, i am just saying players would ask gaijin about but yeah it wouldn’t make sense.
UK has enough stuff too, doesn’t mean they won’t talk about getting things if there is a possibility according to Gaijin.
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