Other than the retractable refuelling probe and full semi-recession, but I take your point. You can conclude lower when clean certainly imo (when laden im less convinced), as I said i’d say that if they aren’t ‘buying’ your report, the logical conclusion is make them equal until some sort of comparative figure is realised from a reputable source.
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The problem is that they’ll have to play guessing games with RCS based on stealth features going into the future when it comes to Su-57, J-20, and F-22. While they’ll take a look into the claims of certain RCS numbers, those RCS numbers all vary when you input different frequencies and so countries can measure them differently. It’s not so easy to implement RCS numbers if different countries have different methods of measuring an aircraft’s RCS.
So Gaijin will ultimately be left with analyzing the stealth features of every aircraft with what’s visually been incorporated. It’s not so important that sources state that the Rafale is 0.01m^2 or that Eurofighter is less than 1.0m^2 with 6 missiles.
What’s more important is what methods of RCS has been used, and what methods are visibly not incorporated and compare them to non-stealth and full-stealth aircrafts.
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Why not point it out then. It’s not my job to look thru every nook and cranny just to find another reference to Rafale’s RCS, no need to be an ass about this.
Rafale doesn’t have a tilted radar.
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Oh my bad must be a misconception, could’ve sworn I saw it here, maybe mixed it up with F-35 (i think that one has a tilted radar?)
To be fair, if you’re going to make a conclusive claim about what a report contains, then it should have been read thoroughly no?
In 2002, a Rafale went up against an F-18 and F-14 and conducted a look first and shoot first sequence. The F-18 isn’t the important part, however the important part is the F-14. The only weapon the Rafale had at the time were MICAs and not Meteors, which are vastly outranged by the F-14s radar and the AIM-54 Phoenix.
In order for the Rafale to have look first and shoot first sequence against the F-14, it had to have an RCS low enough for it to get within the MICA’s envelope, and an RCS of 0.1m^2 means the Rafale can still be detected well outside of the MICAs range with the powerful Tomcat radar. Only an RCS of 0.01m^2 provides a low enough RCS to get within MICA range.
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i dont think APG-81 is tilted, i think you are mixing it up with CAPTOR-E and the Gripen E radar
APG-85 might but we know lietrally nothing about it
Care with that:
AIM-54 are anti-bomber weapon in US Doctrine.
So it could have been said that LF SF sequence was considering the AIM-7’s F-14’s also carry, or the potential AIM-120 from F-14D
And in all considerations: Look first means that Couple of Radar range + RCS was in favor of Rafale.
Probably, been a long day.
by doctrine anti bomber, but they were more than capable of taking out fighters
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What I am saying remains :
Reports of such mock BVR fight are to be interprated correctly in order to ensure that comparison is to AIM-54 and not shorter range missiles such as AIM-120 or AIM-7
Because most of those reports are also made by USAF/USN/USMC reporters, the AIM-54 capability may have been occulted
true, could affect performacne
i think he was referring to the radar being able to tilt side to side up and down?
unless it can and i just had no idea it could
In that case; no. CAPTOR-E is the only I can remember atm.
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Raven(Jas-39) also must be able
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No i meant the radar on F-35 is physically angled upward to reduce RCS.
oh ok then, my bad
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It’s fine, I wasn’t even sure of myself.
I did read it, and the only part of your bug report that mentions Rafale RCS value, is a word. “Sparrow”.
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