Dassault Rafale - Variants, Characteristics, Armament and Performance

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Let alone the missile loadout, Rafale’s low speed FM sucks right now. I’m able to beat EFs in the Mirage 2K5F while I can’t (couldn’t) do the same thing in the dev server (I’m still researching Rafale, but shouldn’t make a difference since its FM stayed the same) with Rafale.

I know this is heresy for me to say this, but I would prefer the F-4F ICE in low speed turn fights over Rafale at this point

Edit : okay yeah I’m exxagarating, but still, doesn’t change the fact that Rafale is a downgrade from Mirage 2K5F right now

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3225

From my experience Rafale beats anything in low speed dogfights, i easily dusted couple EFT’s who dared to challenge me in 1vs1 on live server.

Problem is when they start to runaway, due to limited top speed on deck they can easily run away from you.

3226

oddly enough, I had more success with the Mirage 2K5F against everyone. Just feels better at low speeds, like it can maintain a faster turn than Rafale at speeds of 350kmh

3227

It’s still behaving very weirdly. It just doesn’t see anything unless you track them first with an acquisition lock.

Against test drive Mig15, from 30km to contact : nothing on my TWS at all. If I lock one manually, they then appear on the TWS screen and are tracked properly, but it looks like the TWS is completely blind by itself, somehow.

3228

Current Rafale beats Mirage2k easily in dogfight, Mirage doesnt stand a chance unless Rafale pilot makes a huge mistake.

3229

I think it’s a combination of the Rafale radar being extremely bad, and the novelty of the FM. When we get used to it it will feel better to play.
The same way I can’t for the life of me do anything in the f16am when it’s not much worse, if not better than the Mirage on paper

3230

Radar works much better than yesterday, tho it doesnt come close to its real life performance.

3231

yesterday the radar got notched BY THE MIG-15 IN THE TEST FLIGHT

How does it compare now ?

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3232

Haven’t played it today :). Hot patch finally came, nice. Any changes beside radar ?

3233

It feels much more consistent and works much better, tho from time to time it still looses lock for a sec then reacquires really fast.

3234

I dont know if its me but it pulls harder looks like, i was bein able to pull 14-16G’s without an issue.

3235

that could be deadly in turn fights. Does the HMS lock any easier compared to the Mirage or any other jet ? Since Rafale’s radar is also supposed to make this easier afaik

3236

HMD locks significantly faster than Mirage i can tell that but as usual it refuses to lock sometimes just like any other plane.

3237

gotcha thanks

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3238

i KNEW it wasnt just me
idk why but HMD locks are SOOOO unreliable.
maybe their lock acquisition time is way too short?

3239

I dont know tbh but this problem occurs on almost any plane.

3240

I just did an experiment for low speed turns of Rafale, Mirage 2K5F, Eurofighter and F-4F ICE, all with 25min fuel and only A2A loadout :
Rafale :

Mirage 2000-5F :

German Eurofighter :

F-4F ICE :

Also I only noticed during this experiment, but F-4F ICE doesn’t drop below 447kmh in turn fights, even with its combat flaps on

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They changed EFT’s pilot model to real life counterpart, meanwhile they refused my bug report and claimed there are limited pilot models in this game.

Its obvious Gaijin doesnt care Rafale as much as they care EFT, they could’ve just accept my report and implement it later but instead they straight up refused it…

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3242

Because F4’s flight model is overperforming in sustain turn rate, i believe it was already reported or was about to.

3243

Rafale F4 (F4.2 standard), MICA NG pylons from cdk file

But I suppose in the future gajin add MICA NG (active radar homing medium-range missile) before MICA NG (IR) and Meteor

I might expect french Rafale M F1 Late or F2.2