In any way i won’t engage into more offtopic talk. What had to be said has been said.
So you just made something up. I have always been consistent when it comes to balancing the game. Having one nation with super-dominant fighter for 9 month period has always been bad for the game.
Weird how criticism of the most unbalanced plane in the game always results in personal attacks. Weird how anything “fixes” always equates to buffs.
Well that’s because Rafale can only get buffs except in SEP and Drag area apparently but those are bugged/wrong because of supercruise capabilities that Gaijin tried to match.
Also among the nerfs you could argue “Remove HMD and SP3 pylons are nerf that should be considered” except that by that logic you’d have to nerf a lot more planes than just Rafale regarding the HMD. And I doubt nerfing those 2 things would induce less drama on Rafale because MICA would just be as good anyway and people would still complain the same ammount because atm a lot of Rafale players often send 2 missile at people to get a kill with 6 some people would start making precise firing again and end up getting more kills/spawn anyway.
In any way i’d advise you to start getting ready to complain about F22 because its SEP and drag also risk to be extremely wrong as the plane is claimed to reach Mach 1.8 at arround the same alt as Rafale does.
And on a sidenote if Mach 1.4 is achievable with 6 MICA EM equipped on Rafale M that is heavier that Rafale C then Rafale C should be able to go even higher when clean and minimal fuel, M1.5 low estimation M1.6 high estimation. But as even I doubt that number lets say Mach 1.4 is for a clean Rafale.
If we take Gaijin values as a base point. Rafale and F22 should respectively have those maximal supercruise capabilities.
Conditions :
In game lowest fuel is 30% so both will be calculated with 30% fuel mass inside.
In game maximum supercruise of Rafale is achieved at 10000m.
Both aircrafts are clean of any weapon to give ideal conditions.
Both engine power will be given without channel loss because i don’t know how much channel loss F22 and Rafale have.
This gives us the following :
F22 : 19700kg + 2460kg(fuel) = 22160kg
Engine power : 11793kgf x 2 = 23586kgf
TWR : 23586/22160 = 1.06
Rafale : 9500kg(Rafale C real weight) + 1410kg(fuel) = 11110kg
Engine power : 5103 x 2 = 10206kgf
TWR : 10206/11110= 0.91
And there’s supposed to be a 0.4M diff between the 2 whille there is a wide range of reasons to believe F22 is draggier than Rafale.
I’ll remake the poll then and include multiple choices plus I did forget some things on the list.
The F-22 would have a sustained turn rate of 28 degrees per second if it was held to the same “standard” as Rafale.
Rafale players would so significantly worse with reduced missile loadout and most Rafale players in RB are not skilled at the game IMO…they are just using plane that is currently far more capable than everything else.
I disagree. People would adapt and weaklings would give in to EFT or F/A18. So Rafale stats wouldn’t drop much as there’ll be less META players and more skilled players.
I added a part. consider re-reading please.
It will possibly be as gaijin don’t impose the FBW G limits. So F22 will dominate ARB. What will you do? Complain? Cool that won’t change a thing and this time if you dare put up reports you’ll have the whole US playerbase on you. And I wish that to nobody ever.
Nice.
What do you hope to see fixed on the Rafale for this upcoming dev-server? Especially in light of Rafale being moved up to 14.3 and other competitors such as the Super Hornet potentially coming into the game.
- SPECTRA rework (greater accuracy, greater awareness, fixed maws deployment)
- Reduced airframe weight (~400kg)
- Reduced engine spool-up (quicker take-off)
- Greater lift at low speeds (low speed dogfighting)
- MICA rework
- Decreased radar/infrared signature ahead of 5th gens
- Radar rework (tracking through diff modes, air to surface mode, etc)
It is not actually possible unless you take highest publicly quoted sources and ignore basic aerodynamics and don’t assume engines thrust is orders of magnitude over stated values. I already have good number of public documented F-22 requirements and sources.
I have never seen US or RU player-base go to the lengths Rafale player-base has in order to get a top performing plane buffed beyond all reason. It actually took people outside of the Rafale fan club to point out the fuel weight it was indexed to was wrong. The only thing I have seen come remotely close is Ziggy + MiG_23M arguing that old MiG-29 flight model was bad and needed R-73s to be competitive. This was at a time when MiG-29 was the best plane in the game by small margin. And that suggestion was widely unpopular and opposed by even fans of the plane.
Consequently, Rafale players are trying to argue that empty weight is lower due to weight claims in crash report of 2 claims where 2 identical planes with identical fuel have 80kg difference. They also want the MICA to be the strongest long range missile in the game and to have RWR lock planes behind them. They also willfully ignore every instance of over-performance.
This plane is so easy to play in RB, that I am doing it in first person with a HOTAS. I have over an 80% win rate in the plane and I have spent no time at all honing RB skills or situational awareness. I am automatically in the top .5% of RB players while spending absolutely no effort at getting good at the game mode. It is actually mind boggling that anyone could barely go 1 to 1 in this plane in their game mode of choice.
The 80kg of discrepancy between the 2 CF3Rs can come from various reasons. Also of you read correctly they don’t have the same fuel ammount. Teammate had less than leader but weighted heavier for some reason. It can be explained by a range of factors that are numerous enough for me not to want to list them and i doubt it’s an error since its an official accident report.
Also I don’t know who is “they” but so far i admitted that SEP and Drag were weird and gave you the reasons why.
Also a lot of the things you mention like MICA buffs or SPECTRA buffs actually are based from real life performances and no one prevents people from reporting similar features if they exist on other planes afaik its been done for EFT. Also reporting something doesn’t mean we want it in an immediate manner but that gaijin should consider it for the future. I don’t see what is wrong with suggesting real life features.
Also if you took note some people including DS made reports for gaijin to completely remodel the MICA to make it accurate. And what is most wanted about MICA is for gaijin to remove the 50km max travel distance limit MICA has that is full fake.
DirectSupport wants the MICA to reach Mach 3 in a stationary vertical launch from sea level and wants the missile to retain enough energy to pull 30G at a certain distance. Changing the variables in the game to match these datapoints would result in it being the fastest time to impact missile at long ranges.
Nobody that is claiming the missile should have 80km range knows what the reference target is so they are just interpreting it as if it were stationary.
Then you are not monitoring the situation a thouroughly as i expected. DS backed up on certain of his claims and helped with MICA remodel report.
And if you had been observant enough a lot of people revised their opinions and admitted 80km is a max range of the MICA and not an effective range. That said the 50km travel distance limit is still an erroneous thing.
Other people have backed off of or disputed the two extrapolated and assumed datapoints; not DirectSupport.
I can also mention that you are dead set on refusing other perfectly sourced datapoints, which, still in your word, would still make the MICA have the fastest time to hit missile in game, primarily the 12km 30G capability, and the 20km max intercept range - which the MICA currently do not match.
You do love making a point about DirectSupport being dead on bringing up « extrapolated datapoints », but you are also pretty good at not considering actual primary sources datapoints
He’s always like that when it comes to delta canards and european armaments.
The 12km 30G datapoint is the one that I was referring to. The 12km datapoint is mentioned in two brochures…and one of them puts it under aerodynamics which makes the situation even less clear. He gets his retained energy datapoint based on information from an entirely separate missile.
Same thing with intercept range. What are the target conditions? Hitting cooperative target from launch range of 20km is far different than hitting non-cooperative.
Why does the best performing plane in the game for the past 8 months need another massive buff?
Great, I thought the fight would end in the first thread, but hey, rules are meant to be broken I guess 🤷
This is like saying why does F22 needs its historical performance when it performs best.
Vehicles should perform on their historical performance, whether you like it or not and its not France fault that other nations doesnt have similiar 4.5th Gen capable planes (Except EFT’s).
Man we love empty statements that repeat propaganda.
Aerodynamicly it is similar enough to the f15 to base the flight model of the f15, while being heavy and having tvc