Dassault Rafale - Variants, Characteristics, Armament and Performance - Part 2

Yes. All the PPI displays I have been able to source point to 120° of scanning.

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Nothing to do with me. I just happened to drop by the Rafale thread to see what the new posts were and got curious so measured the images.

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This isn’t a opportunity to derail the thread and post memes. I’m just here gathering evidence. Please keep on topic. I will summon my Forum Mod collegues.

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It’s a fair question to ask, since not all AESA radars are 140 degrees. For example F-22’s radar is 120 degrees and that’s AESA (although the devs keep giving US AESA radars a default ±70 gimbal limit)

But the Rafale’s AESA is 140. Do note that sources prior to ~2019 would show PESA which is 120 degree gimbal limits. Now that I look back at it, all the videos linked here are prior to 2019 and would have been PESA.

Primary source clarifies that the RBE2 AESA radar had increased coverage over the PESA

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Link: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-ptRR1AH3gdJJpgAomxEB_FHO1pBlQgg/view?usp=sharing

Secondary sources clarifies:

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Link: https://www.f-16.net/forum/download/file.php?id=29945

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Yup, what once could have been.

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This story is a whole can of worms. Apparently, the US allegedly sold their f35 to Finland at a loss to einsure the deal, since they’ll ultimately will make their money back through the insane costs of maintenance of the aircraft

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I hate how so many countries picked the F-35 disregarding their actual needs, a eurocanard or even just modernized F-16s were often the better option. But whatever, it’s too late now

Its good Portugal pulled out and is debating between Gripen E with EJ230 engine (Typhoons TVC engine so that they dont have anything to do with america) or the Typhoon. At least the last I read on it a few months ago

And Canada looks to be doing the same, canceling F-35 and looking at Gripen E

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Not sure about Portugal but as far as Canada’s concerned all signs still point to us buying the F-35, the announcement just keeps being delayed until it’s politically viable to do so.

offtopic but

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Gripen E with EJ230 engine (Typhoons TVC engine so that they dont have anything to do with america)

That is not happening, Saab CEO recently said in an interview that it was not realistic to switch the engine.

And Canada looks to be doing the same, canceling F-35 and looking at Gripen E

Air force is totally against a second fleet and want more f-35, only politics are against it looks more and more that they will just continue buying f-35 and that is it.

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It makes a lot more sense tbh, and while I’m more of a fan of the Rafale the others make more sense (being compatible with the armament that Portugal already has). But the F-35 really isn’t suited for small air forces

It doesn’t seem likely to me that SAAB actually modify the gripen to allow other engines. It is more likely that they’d go away from American engines with their next generation fighter, if they manage to get another country to produce the engine - since I don’t think they currently have the capability to develop their own fighter jet engines.
Also seeing as Canada doesn’t seem to do very much to actually get away from the f35, looks like they’ll stick to it but go official on it when the political landscape is more open

Thanks much better.

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Off topic but F-35 is literally the 2.0 version of the F-16 with L-O characteristics added. It does everything the F-16 can do, but better. Barring a gun-only sustained rate fight (which it is not designed for).

At a far higher cost. I don’t have the exact numbers but you can probably field far more F-16s for the same cost

numbers were skewed in early days by low production numbers. It’s about the same now actually.