Ye, + its Useless, in the end we ignore all other planes, so why waste the energy to report actuall stuff
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What’s funny is the Eurocanard haters have been the only ones to try and nerf the EFT flight model (successfully and unsuccessfully) yet Morvran has been trying to nerf the Rafale. I would die laughing if I was Piiot/Feetpics. Meanwhile the F-15E is sitting in the corner hoping no one realizes it is 300kg underweight and due for a nerf.
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This is not entirely accurate, considering that the F.3 mentioned was not even a C frame (at least not the first one seen with it), but rather a test airframe specifically for testing and integration purposes.
I should also mention that some, if not all, pre-production prototypes probably have different wiring than production airframes, as they have also been seen with very unusual loadouts that were never cleared for operational use to this day.
Actual capability came with F.4.1 and there are reasons for me to assume that ISE (India’s Standard) also doesn’t have SP3 installed, at least at the time being.
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See, so why waste the time with the EuroBros when we could annoy the US player xD
i have a question, then what standard is the rafale from this pic? from what I’ve remember its a like a testbed of some standard, i think f3r if i remember righty
Can someone tell me, why the hell are the drop tanks shaped like this.
It just looks wrong
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Its one of said re-production prototypes and (todays) test airframes; C 01
and I’ve to admit; one of the easiest to identify.
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so it’s technically not any standard in game? that’s interesting, thanks for the tid bit
The argument of something being tested would be a good one if it was for a jet that was struggling and needed a little help to be competitive, which the Rafale clearly is not, and has never been or will ever be at this rate.
Its also a horrible argument since its the very reason gaijin denied the German EFT PIRATE, which would have required less work from the modellers, and would have much less of a positive impact on the aircrafts performance in-game than the Rafales HMD has had.
And to be clear, I’m bringing up the German EFT PIRATE situation because the choice to deny the PIRATE and the choice to provide the HMD occurred around the same time. I do not think the German EFT should get PIRATE, just like I do not think the Rafale F3R should get an HMD.
Instead we’ve had 9+ months of a jet utterly ruining the game, with no end in sight, and the two most obvious solutions in the history of the game being right in front of devs, and them refusing to apply them.
I’ve been trying to bring it on par with any other aircraft in game.
Its like if the Mirage 2K CS5 was at 11.7 and then claiming “well, its an equivalent jet to the F-4 Phantoms and Mig-23s, I dont know what everyone is complaining about”
From my understanding the wiring of test beds isn’t necessarily different from what is found on production planes. The fact that loadouts aren’t cleared for operational use often is dictated by the aerodynamical analysis that needs to be done prior to opening those loadouts. Each weaponry on each pylons needs to be certified to behave correctly at all operational speeds and with neighboring pylons carrying basically every type of weaponry that the pylon is cleared for.
From a relatively old (F2-F3 conversion) documentary I saw a long time ago (can’t find it’s name sadly), it seemed that this was the main bottleneck for integration of new weapons according to some Dassault engineer
Wiring might still be different, I agree, but I don’t think it’s that different nor do I think it’s the reason we see certain loadouts on test beds but not on production aircrafts. For example the extra 2 mica pylons were already present on the computer of French F3 as seen on some screenshots of the MFD shared by DS, meaning the wiring was most probably already present.
@Morvran You’ve been flagging messages in this thread from users that have simply said the truth. Whether that triggers a reaction or not it doesn’t matter, as you were wrong in the first place (your bug report that got rejected).
Additionally, we know that you’re “passionate” about this thread, but it would be for the best to avoid stirring it all up.
Please stop flagging messages that are clearly within the guidelines.
If you’ve got any questions PLEASE avoid asking them here, PM a mod.
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Idk whether it was ever mentioned here; I’ve now updated the F.4.3 as it already under going an early qualification process, while still being developed on.
Which is kinda funny, as even F.4.2 has yet to enter service…
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Seeing as the F4.3 mods are so minor, it looks like all 4.2 will be directly converted to .3 maybe
Whats the internal fuel capacity (in litres) of the Rafale C F3R?
you mean that part?
Alongside Part 1.6.1, which specifically gives the ordnance on board : 1x1250L empty Tank on Central pylon.
Leader aircraft : 14490-4760 = 9730kg (aircraft weight with no fuel, but with empty 1250L central tank)
Second aircraft : 14587-4670 = 9917kg (aircraft weight with no fuel, but with empty 1250L central tank)
a 1250L Tank pod weight once empty is about 200kg
Leader aircraft: 9530kg (empty with pilot)
now we can withdraw the pilots themselves → about 100kg more on average with equipement
Leader aircraft: 9430kg empty weight
By the way:
says:
“Rafale A empty weight was 10t, but Marcel Dassault asked for it to be 9t before production variants” - basically
by then, we add all FCS and weapon management systems (let’s give it 300/500 kg) (which gives an approximate around the Leader aircraft of previous example)
and we know that there is more mass for B (biplace, needs more space=weight for second pilot), and M (Marine, navalized it requires a reinforced arrestor hook, landing gears and Traction bar)(which gives the “10t” Morvran was refering about,… but those are only for B or M Variants)
Not entirely true. Fireball did multiple reports to nerf the countermeasures count. I’m not aware of any other nerfs that need making.
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I should have been more careful, I forgot to say EFT’s flight model.
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4,760kg
Only a single aspect isnt underperforming and thats high alt STR, which has been reported