Dassault Rafale - Variants, Characteristics, Armament and Performance - Part 2

This is in France before the Indians got them

They should just slap astras in their rafale and call it a day

Please read, that pic was taken in France with french meteors, and those are dummy pieces

Due to not having meteors, that is seriously being considered, but it’s likely they will wait till astra mk2 is inducted

I thought astra mk 2 was already test fired? ( not sure by what tho)

both astra mk 2 & 3 were test fired but i dont think astra mk2 is being produced.

I mean from what I’ve read astra mk3 seems to be better than meteor (200+km rrange and aesa seeker) so they will probably go for that

i dont think even mk3 is in production. maybe they are being producing but there aren’t any statements made by the government.

That’s planned, but it takes time to be integrated as always

I know, I have already read that. But afaik they haven’t been delivered yet, or in small numbers only

Initial test fire of new weapons are always done by su30mki

Astra mk2 likely has done some aerial test fires, but none of them, except a drop test is public. It’s still yet to go in service and mass production

Astra mk2 will mostly be for closer range bvr, or when being launched from slow speeds. Mk3 is much more expensive and will struggle from low speed launches and lower initial accel

There’s also actual work on a new Meteor variant, which would include, among other upgrades, a new AESA radar (from MICA EM NG).

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Better engine too also.
@kizvy METEOR is already able to do 200km+ and actually quite more than that iirc from a thing I saw once.

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That said since the mention of METEOR MLU on the Rafale F5 new tech images that got posted in like 2023 no info about the METEOR MLU program ever been shared. Except that the members of the project had to decide wether to continue the project or not at the end of 2024. After that, dead silent.

The project will continue but meteor mlu will take a while as that was agreed recently if i remember well.

Good to know.

You don’t know how to read this graph do you?

SEP 0 = Sustained Turn Rate.

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To be honest, this is a bit crazy how some people can use airframe characteristics that make a plane successful in an arcade video game, as a base model to define if this same plane is good or not IRL.

IRL an aircraft is soooo much more than just a turn rate, a TWR, etc. The Human–computer interaction, the ergonomic design of the system for the pilot, the software for mission preparation, even the maintenance and reliability of the platform under high workload, the operational availability… etc etc etc. I could list dozen more things that have significant impact on the capacity of a fighter IRL but are completely nonexistent in War Thunder.

It is as crazy as using the loss of a Rafale by the IAF during Sindore operation to state it is a bad plane. We know nothing about the engagement rules from IAF, we don’t know how it was shot-down, etc etc… What we know is that that the Rafale successfully hit many targets with very high precision inside Pakistan territory and that India is negotiating to buy 112 more units tho…

So can we please stop this debate about if a jet is better than an other one IRL based on a “video-game-oriented” perspective ?

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To be fair we do know the weapon and we do know that Dassault made a (now-retracted) claim about SPECTRA not having logged an alert. Obviously not a commentary on the aircraft itself and you can’t actually draw definitive conclusions but in combination with other info it does help build a picture.

I guess you are using the question to the government that a member of parliament asked while taking his source from online speculation…

Besides, you don’t just lose (up to) 3 aircraft to 0 kills in a standoff engagement if you have a functioning DAS.