Which should be the case for all modern air to air missiles but it is what it is
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Even AIM-7F had this feature and it was reported, practically all missiles in top tier should have this feature, it’s just that unfortunately reported just for MICA. Funnily enough the other simulator game models this correctly.
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like the igla i suppose?
i dont rlly get how this would work for rail launched missiles though, theyre pretty much restricted during launch, and then theyre already at speed
No, like the SLM. You know the double loft where the missile was forced to do vertical then horizontal, and only then it entered its own guidance (where it once again went up), that thing.
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but for SLM that was worse for performance
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and how come 7F would have this? its not TVC…
Python 5 and CAMM aren’t tvc either yet don’t they have orientating phase? most modern missiles if not all, directly orient themselves as much as possible off the rail towards the target for seeker lock-on, but as it is now, even with tvc missiles they slowly turn and make wide circles never utilizing tvc to the full capacity even for offbore shots.
I agree with the tvc being wonky in wt but correct me if I’m wrong, you’re trying to say initial AOA pull should be much higher at launch to allow missiles to turn into lead as much as possible during the first few moments?
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Yes, it should be something mainly called “lead bias” as a term.
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CAMM has a separate booster pack. That also orientates the weapon. This does not mean that ASRAAM can do the same for example
"CAMM launch
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Maybe CAMM isn’t the best example then cause I’m not sure if it uses the same autopilot as ASRAAM
I think the better angle to argue for would be to essentially remove any form of guidance delay from various weapons. Rather than specifically mentioning orientation for VL weapons
That way, they are turning off the rails.
It has a soft launch TVC system.
CroMD copied that from Dassault’s brochure.
It’s the same source you already had.
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Oh my, finally.
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Maybe, but this is gaijin. You’d need 15 primary sources to make that happen for non Russian missiles. And it’s still take years for gaijin to change it. Even to this day the detonation activation delay for the Magic 2 is still way to high despite a 5 (?) year old accepted report. I also don’t think I’ve ever seen a reference on guidance delay for MICA. Orientation phase could just be “added” by doing just that however.
Thanks to Doggo and Oceanfish for the source and summaries.
Some interesting things were announced regarding the Rafale and the Eurodrone:
Very short summary of what was said :
- The official aim for the M88 T-Rex is 11 tons of thrust, 9 tons being capability Safran was already able to deliver 5 years ago
- Dassault didn’t come out of the Eurodrone programme but Airbus kicked them out because of the discussions over the DGA not allocating funds to procure it
- The NGF and UCAV for the Rafale F5 and more broadly the collaborative combat system already are in the works, the UCAV being close to completion
- Dassault is currently investing into different AI and small drone companies in order to fund the development of cheaper strike capabilities controlled by an AI combat cloud
- The UAE are indeed back in the talks for cooperation both on the F5 standard and possible « other programs »
Source: Avenir de l'aviation de combat
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Not a typo btw,
Current Rafale (7.5 tons of thrust)
Original Rafale F5 goal (9 tons of thrust)
Updated Rafale F5 official goal (11 tons of thrust).
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Surely that’s got to be some sort of FCAS risk reduction, 110kn per engine is slightly ludicrous a medium-small airframe.
I’d have guessed the Rafale would exceed the combat load for its pylons or drag would factor in, or fuel efficiency penalties before that level of thrust was even close to being warranted.