^ That… ^
the EFs that you said wont be delivered until 2027
SPICE bombs is not supposed to be on the regular Eurofighter-AESA but the Eurofighter EK which is a specialized variant not entering service until 2030.
SPICE bombs is not supposed to be on the regular Eurofighter-AESA but the Eurofighter EK which is a specialized variant not entering service until 2030.
The plane/platform itself can be delivered this year but that isn’t necessarily indicative that the radar is already mounted on it, is it? Henshold themselves said the radar will be mounted in 2027.
Installation of the Mk1 Step 1 on the German Quadriga Eurofighters is then scheduled to begin in the course of 2027,” says Frank Döngi, Head of Eurofighter Radar.
HENSOLDT receives 350-million-euro contract extension for the Eurofighter radar | HENSOLDT
And were only added because the EFT has no other viable FnF options for A2G currently and was limited to only 8. not the maximum of 16.
Like sure, if we get to the point where Comet is valid to add to game then fine. But the argument of “well, the Typhoon got Spice-250s therefore the Rafale should get Comet” is just a bit… weak. Given the Rafale still ahs the best fox-3 ingame and could go without any upgrades in that department for a while yet.
Right? And?
Does the EFT have AMK or Meteor or ASRAAM or Spear-3 or Brimstone?
Doesnt even get Litening V.
Just saying, you are comparing apples to oranges
Not smth I commented on anyway, even though - However; just like F.3R is not supposed to have SP3 pylons :)
Maybe don’t respont to off-topic yourself in first place.
I don’t disagree, I never reported the SP3 pylons for a reason.
Yeah but for misterious reasons last time I flagged something as off topic I was told to not flag for personnal grief… So now I just don’t know what to do? Leave the thread? It’s supposed to be a place to talk about Rafale so i don’t see why i shouldn’t try pushing the people that ruin it away by arguing against them.
In the interim, the Hensoldt/Indra consortium (Germany/Spain) has achieved significant progress and has completed the development of the first Eurofighter radar—the ECRS Mk1—featuring the so-called “Step 0” configuration (Mk0 with a new antenna). Upon delivery, the newly produced Eurofighter Quadriga aircraft (Tranche 4) are initially scheduled to enter service equipped with this configuration.
except it is
Spoiler
Thank you for your inquiry, which was forwarded to us—the Federal Office of Bundeswehr Equipment, Information Technology and In-Service Support (BAAINBw)—as the responsible authority.
The specialist article titled “New Radar System for the Eurofighter Takes Off,” published in 2020, presented the status of the E-Scan radar system’s development as it stood at that time—a status that has since become outdated.
In the interim, the Hensoldt/Indra consortium (Germany/Spain) has achieved significant progress and has completed the development of the first Eurofighter radar—the ECRS Mk1—featuring the so-called “Step 0” configuration (Mk0 with a new antenna). Upon delivery, the newly produced Eurofighter Quadriga aircraft (Tranche 4) are initially scheduled to enter service equipped with this configuration.
In a second development phase, commencing in mid-2027, the Mk1 “Step 1” configuration will be retrofitted into the Quadriga aircraft. This configuration incorporates the newly developed digital multi-channel receiver, as well as the new subsystems—specifically the processor and the antenna power supply and control unit—for which development contracts were awarded in 2024. These components will significantly enhance the performance capabilities of the ECRS Mk1 and ensure a sustainable expansion of operational capabilities, particularly with regard to future software enhancements such as electronic warfare.
Once the 38 Eurofighter Quadriga aircraft have been equipped with the new radar, plans call for the subsequent retrofitting of the remainder of the Bundeswehr’s Eurofighter fleet.
IMO, they should have added brimstones 2 in a somewhat correct manner and this would have been sufficient.
That’s literally the argument for gaijin to add weaponry : tested = okay to add. That’s what they argued for spice 250
Current META I disagree on that point, but fair enough for you to think that
That’s not the point tho. « Does the rafale have Mica IR, meteor, half of its bomb loadout ? No. Then why are you bringing this for the EFT ? »
To be clear, I did not ask for rafale F4.3 with comet. (Edited to be more respectful)
I simply stated that in the near future, probably next year, the Comet could very well come in the game because of the precedent of adding Spice as a compatible weapon. I literally did not say nor imply that it should come at the expense of any of the weapons you mentioned are lacking for the current EFT
Fair enough, but even if AESA EFTs are all delivered into service to Italy and UK by tomorrow, it still doesn’t change the precedent that a “fake” plane was added and got a missile that it never integrated intended for a completely different variant.
the Spice 250 isnt a missile
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So instead of avoiding further off-topic discussions - which you’re complaining too - you’re jumping in and making things even worse by arguing about things you probably haven’t even researched beforehand?
We didn’t have this kind of “versus” off-topic talk in a while, so I am not sure what you want to come up with to begin with.
As its my own thread, I take the freedom and lock it for 10 minutes, calm down.
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hello people.
rafale is a baddie
Hi,
I’ve removed some of the unnecessary off-topic posts. If you believe yours was removed by mistake feel free to send me a private message and i will look over it personally.
Be respectful to the conversation in this thread and try to avoid it delving into off-topic discussions.
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The difference is that, while no in service French rafale F3R equiped SP3 pylons, they had been extensively tested since B01, and Indian rafale of the same tranche carry it in active service.
Meanwhile, the only source for Spice is that it’s compatible with EFT (and basically all western 4th gen fighter), and was shown during a show under its wings, and that it should enter service in a future variant of the RFT that is not representative of any EFT in game. It’s just not very conclusive to me.
SP3 followed a « stricter » (and the quotes do a lot of heavy lifting) rule that has been followed on many other aircraft, including the EFT with Pirate on the German AESA (although always at the devs discretion since Paveway 4 and LWS is not universal between variants), the su27 dual belly pylon, etc… all of these are supposed to be officially tested equipment.
To me, the picture with Spices under the wings is not as conclusive or you’d be able to ask for unrealistic weapons on other platforms (such as @Macron-Spokesman pixture of the UAE bbs on a French insignia rafale), and neither is the brochure stating compatibility with Typhoon - otherwise all mentioned aircrafts may be entitled to have it including rafale, which everyone can agree is nonesensical.
In the end, gaijin as created rules, then bend those same rules, gone back on them, but actually gone beyond… and everyone can decided where they stand on, even if that doesn’t really matter since gaijin will always do what they want.
And wherever you put your line on, with gaijin’s « discretion », you always end up in a « rule for me, not for thee » situation, because no one is going to be completely satisfied.
I just personally see no difference between the Rafale F3 getting HMD and 8x AAM fit and the EFT getting Spice-250.
Except for the fact that the Rafale F3 would have still been quite strong without HMD or 8x AAM last year and the Spice-250s barely even bring the EFT on-par with the Rafale in A2G
Atleast the Rafale F3R in-game can just be renamed to Rafale F4.1 and there’d be no issues there.
and the German EFT can just be renamed the EK and there would be no issue…
Would still require a cockpit rework and new IRST model,
To me, the difference is that HMD and 8 MICA has been tested. Just like AESA eft has been tested, or extra belly pylons for the SU30 have also been tested on the variants they are on in game (or a previous variant)…
Meanwhile, the evidences for the Spice are very circonstancial. Spice exists, spices where shown under the wings of an EFT during an exhibition, and Spices should come to a different EFT than what we have in game is not really enough for an addition. As you said in PM to me,Spears 3 where tested, so even if they are not in service, to me, they are fair game for addition on the EFT.
I hope you see my point of view