nah they’re still different inside, despite using lot of components from the F3R program that both missile were coming from.
mostly because some of the components are “not exportable” in the US MoD mind.
AIM-120C-7 = AIM-120C-5
AIM-120C-8 = AIM-120D
Meteor > AIM-120D
It may even be possible that MICA NG EM > AIM-120D in overall performance due to AESA seeker.
C-7 have an extended range over the C-5
For in-game purposes where we can’t know many of the classified info on what is the seeker differences of AIM-120C-8 and AIM-120D, I suspect it will be the same in-game.
Summoning the British mains. I believe @Gunjob mentionned in the EFT Thread that the range extension actually comes from C3 onwards and that C7 as the same range as the C5 for in game purposes
It has same range as C-5, two different sources show this.
yes and? is it our fault if we design better missiles?
same story with AIM-9X vs MICA-IR or IRST
same story with AIM-120C early vs MICA-EM
they have access to the same technology, and made it differently.
that’s why i’m completely against the “we need X and Y Characteristics to be the same, for balance purposes” that we so often see in the MICA thread,…
now we’re saying that METEOR is a 10 years old older than AIM-174B/AIM-260 but should be introduced at the same time?
where is the realistic behavior?
what will be the precision of those Seekers, with 10 years old differences in technologies?
it will be “fun” “playing” this game in some months,… really.
R-27EA (from the “discord presumptions” that @MBDA_MICA shared) is close by AIM-120D performances
in game it will be most likely be a r27er that lofts, with the same copy paste seeker stats as everything else
and with the r-27er 50-60km shots are doable in WT anything further isnt really doable due to the limited battery life
ppl only want the service introduction date to be follwed when it beifits them
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i don’t,… it’s a technology matter,… the seekers of today, vs 10 years old ones are night & day.
MICA-EM is trashed because of it’s seeker in game.
and you’re telling me that it doesn’t matter?
It’s true that those 2 missiles are not in the same class, but yeah it’s only logical for meteor to come alongside aim 120d especially since we probably won’t know anything about aim260 for the next 10 year.
thats not what i meant
what i mean is that most ppl that ask for historical match making, for example, do so by they want to sealclub something
german mains wanting historical matchmaking so that they can sealclub in the Tiger
US mains wanting historical match making so that they can sealclub in the F-15A/ F-14A
what i mean is that those ppl only advocate for histroical matchmaking, in this example, as long as it benifits them
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that’s why you basically cut off the only question that made the link with the technolical matter i have, answered to me with only the cut off part (which, once “cut off” and “out-of-context” could be interpreted like you did) ?
from all of that i’m forced to answer.
if you were honest there, you would reckon, that i was not specifically going for a historical match making kind of thing,…
all i’m asking for is to introduce newer missile depending on their service date,… because of technological matters about seekers, last of which would be completely made-up [i assume gaijin doesn’t really care anymore].
like today, we have 1 missile having a better seeker, and it creates more forum spam than the “inefficient” range of missile, and all other missiles shares the same value.
it’s a problem,… but if we go with “true” values, some will be extraordinary killing missiles, and others would be simply trash,… most because we would be unable to prove Gaijin how wrong it is.(classified stuff)
In terms of an in-game context, and an assumption the map sizes and overall seeker performance doesnt change. They actually probably are. Slightly different pros and cons, and I couldnt find a good answer the other day on what the average LSZ is for the Aim-120D, but its probably not that far off the typical “long ranged BVR” we have in-game in most matches. So both missiles would for the most part probably be relatively reasonably matched in BVR, with the Meteor having the upper hand in long-medium range BVR and due to the higher initial speed and I beleive better maneuverability, the Aim-120D would have the upper hand in short-medium range BVR and in WVR. Given the latter is the most typical for WT ARB, there is a possibility it would be the better of the 2.
The only edge case is Air Sim, where Meteor would really be able to show its full strength, but Gaijin doesnt care about that mode, so it wont influence if/when things are added.
As a final note, what do you add to the Gripen E and Typhoon to match the Aim-120D short of giving them both Aim-120D which im fairly certain hasnt be fitted to either yet (unless you just made Aim-120C8 identical to Aim-120D)
I do think the meteor will be far more efficient at killing people who are running away compared to the AIM120. So, in the beginning of matches were périple are jousting and turning back to kinematically evade missiles coming their way from 50ish km away would be deadly to those player. It’d be the case with the 120D, but I don’t think it will be to the same extent
Yeah, Meteor wont be kinematically defeatable within 100km with a good launch. But that might be the only significant advantage it gets, assuming the Aim-120D doesnt keep the current placeholder AMRAAM seeker with no changes and the meteor got a C&P of the MICA seeker with no changes
Afaik the meteor is slower at short range but keeps its top speed far longer than the amraams due to being ramjet, so it seems to me they’d play a pretty different role
Yeah they do, but if the average firing distance is still 20-30km, how much of a difference is a debate to be had.
The question really is
- Do seekers get buffed at all?
- Does map size get increased?
Those could radically shift which one is better
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Well map size should be increased if they wanna add new missiles without them being pointless, but Gaijin is Gaijin so we don’t know
We’ve needed larger maps for 2-3 years, im not really holding my breath
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