Well I just did it so now I can get the T-2 faster : )
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I always found HMS Vanguard to be a fascinating ship, as the largest British Battleship and the LAST Battleship to be built and commissioned in history.
It would have been interesting to see her in action. Her technical specs are… interesting; so strong and advanced in many ways, but… still 380mm guns? Which, on the other hand, were still an upgrade from King George V’s…
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Yea on avg I get at least a kill every game or 2 if I’m lucky, the FCU is like the A6M5 Ko for high-mid tier.
and I still got enough for the AJ if I want to tali that too
So, update tomorrow it seems.
your late
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His late what?
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Excuse the paragraph but Vanguard is viewed entirely wrong in my opinion by almost everyone (very arrogant of me I know).
Vanguard’s… different balance of firepower, armour and speed when considered contextually make a lot of sense.
The 380mm guns were chosen explicitly because the UK had them lying around from Glorious and her sister Courageous who had been converted into aircraft carriers and heavy naval guns take a minimum of 3-4 years to build per gun.
The point of the Vanguards was never to be the mainstay battleships of the UK (the Lions and their successors would fill this role), instead they were to be almost a ‘Battlecruiser’ version of the KGV class. Similar to how Hood could be described as the Battlecruiser version of the QE class, or how the G 3 could be classed as the Battlecruiser version of the N 3 class.
In 1938 in response to Plan Z the UK drew up plans for the ‘New Power Standard’ replacing its old ‘Two Power Standard’ which allowed it to fight the next 2 strongest navies. The idea of the New Power Standard was to be numerically superior to the USN, and be able to solo all the Axis powers in the naval theatre by 1942 which is the earliest Plan Z could have been ready in the UK’s assessment. Part of that (amongst a whole lot more) was to replace all of the R class ships with a new fast-battleship (UK called it a Battlecruiser, including Vanguard herself), which would take the available main armament from the previous R class and put it on a faster and therefore more useful hull.
This was to be the Vanguards, originally it wasn’t determined if they would use the KGV hull as a basis then the war kicked off and the design was frozen as available designs were needed more, but after the Lions who were intended to be the UK’s main battleship were scrapped they decided they could use existing supply-lines with minor modification to quickly assemble the first of this class of R class replacements.
That ship would be Vanguard,
Once the chains were set up for the future ships, it had become evident the KGV’s were perfectly capable, the UK had removed the navies of the European Axis powers and the UK and US fleets were almost done erasing the Japanese fleet too.
As for firepower upgrade, the KGV’s 14" is good for a 14" but as you said still a 14". The cool thing about Vanguard is that she could reuse the turrets and guns from 30 year old ships… just goes to show something about the durability of British naval guns of the era.
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Main problem I find for all nations is the “passed to devs”
People want a certain vehicle in game but not at the expanse of delaying a vehicle thats needed.
I would like to see more WW2 tanks for Britain, however getting a new Chruchill variant that players have decided they want (maybe years ago!) means things that Britain actually needs to be competitive fall behind.
We wanted the desert warrior what we didn’t want was a nerfed APFSDS round terrible mobility and of course TOW-2A and B are useless at the 10.3 br bracket.
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I would like to see a new heavy tank for the UK thats not on a churchill base. Either the T 14 that we received or the other excelsior pilot vehicle, plently of other trees are brimming with prototype heavy tanks but unfortunately the UK only has the ones accepted into service.
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This can’t be right. Why does the Battlepass Mariner only have these horrible (non-case) torpedoes?
For reference here is an actual usable case torpedo on the F6F
I’m pretty sure if you try to fly the Mariner at 200 km/h you’ll be uncomfortably close to falling out of the sky
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The real tragedy is that she was not preserved
Particularly as she has so many parallels with Hood.
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Britain has failed horribly to preserve our maritime history.
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No armoured carriers from WW2 were left either and they served in EVERY theatre some individual ships too served in EVERY theatre…
I suppose that’s what 2 World Wars worth of debt with minor reparations from enemies and allies alike do to a country.
It was simply to expensive to preserve them and thats what the DNC (Director of Naval Construction) told the Fleet when they inquired.
(Not that the liberated nations should have paid the UK for it but can’t expect the UK to rebuild back to superpower status when we owed the US a tonne in Pre-Pearl Harbour purchases and none of the economic drain from bombing was going to be replaced).
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We didnt really even preserve much from more recent conflicts like the Falklands and on a wider scale. Its a shame there are no Tornados, Jaguars, Harriers, Bucs, Sea-Vixens, etc still flying even for air shows
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I mean we have only gotten poorer (relative to other western countries) since WW2.
Yeah. That’s true.
Very interesting read, thank you!
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I fixate on a few ships haha apologies if its wordy. G 3 is one of those ships and KGV & Vanguard are the other two. (Though this reminds me, I need to do a proper read up on the Lions).
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