Would make a nice event vehicle ngl. Thanks for sharing!
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In my opinion, such a tree as already connected with Poland or another country makes no sense, because 3 USSR is not needed in the game
Extended Czechoslovak ground tree
Hi there. I want to reveal to you something i have been working on for a while now - an extended version of my ground tree. This version includes preety much every single vehicle that was either produced or used by Czechoslovakia and its succesor states that i could find. There are also paper designs included in this version, aswell as some vehicles that could work in the game, but would probably be either very ineffective or just straigh up memes (flamethrower Hetzer, mine-clearing bmp with 24 projectiles with proxy fuse packed with explosives, heavy MLRS and so on).
The tree itself
(open it on this link if you want to take a better look at the vehicles/look at their armament, top speed and protection and also to look at foldered vehicles): Extended Czechoslovak ground tree
Important read
BRs of vehicles, just like their ranks and placement in the tree are only approximate. Some of the BRs have not been upgraded since a long time, and im not planning to update them (reason being Gaijin changing BRs all the time and it would be nearly impossible for me and just not worth it to keep up with the changes). Vehicles also arent foldered/ranked by the new standard that will be implemented starting with the next update (new system seems quite confusing to me) and im also not planning to change it (exept for maybe in the regular proposal). This version of my proposal is meant to show all the possible additions into the Czechoslovak techtree (if it gets added one day), to show lineups etc. There are also some less practical vehicles in the tree that probably would not work in-game without implementation of new mechanics, but i included them anyway as i still find those interesting and i think their addition is not impossible.
New vehicles:
Light tanks 1
Rank I
ČKD P-IIa (1.0)
Armament: 37mm Škoda A3
Max speed: 36km/h
Armor: max 16mm
ČKD P-IIb (1.0)
Armament: 37mm Škoda A3
Max speed: 30km/h
Armor: max 25mm
Rank II
Cromwell VI (3.0)
Armament: 95mm OQF
Max speed: 64km/h
Armor: max 76mm
TNH-Sv S-III (3.3)
Armament: 57mm L/50,5 Pvkan m/43
Max speed: 45km/h
Armor: max 60mm
Rank V
Zetor Gerlach XM914 (7.7)
Armament: 30mm XM914
Max speed: 110km/h
Armor: can withstand small arms fire
Rank VI
** KBV-VR Pandur II CZ (9.3)**
Armament: 30mm Bushmaster II
Max speed: 105km/h
Armor: can withstand fire from 14.5mm
Zubr 6x6 (10.0)
Armament:
25mm Oerlikon KBA B02
2x TOW missiles
Max speed: 130km/h
Armor: can protect from 50.cal fire
Rank VII
** Scipio with Bushmaster and Spike**
Armament:
30mm Bushmaster Mk 44
2x SPIKE ATGM
Max speed: 120km/h
Armor: can withstand fire from 14.5mm
Light tanks 2
Rank I
Škoda Š-IIb (1.0)
Armament: 37mm Škoda A3
Max speed: 26km/h
Armor: max 25mm
Rank II
Škoda T-16 (2.3)
Armament:
47mm Škoda A24
Max speed: 60km/h
Armor: max 30mm
Rank III
OT-62 GROM (5.3)
Armament: 73mm 2A28 Grom
Max speed: 60km/h
Armor: max 17mm
Škoda T-17 (5.7)
Armament: 75mm Škoda A26
Max speed: 55km/h
Armor: max 60mm
Rank IV
BRM-1K (5.7)
Armament: 73mm 2A28
Max speed: 65km/h
Armor: max 33mm
TNH 57/900 (6.3)
Armament: 57mm Škoda A-25 autocannon
Max speed: 48km/h
Armor: max 50mm
Leták (6.7)
Armament: 57mm Škoda A25 autocannon
Max speed: 60km/h
Armor: can withstand fire from 50cal
Rank V
BVP-1 (7.3)
Armament:
73mm 2A28
4x 9M14M Maljutka
Max speed: 65km/h
Armor: max 33mm
BVP-1M (7.7)
Armament:
14.5mm KPVT
4x ATGM (probably Konkurs)
Max speed: 65km/h
Armor: max 19mm
BVP-2 (8.3)
Armament:
30mm 2A42
4x 9M113 missiles
Max speed: 65km/h
Armor: max 33mm
Rank VII
** Zetor Wolfdog 30mm/Spike (10.7)**
Armament:
30mm autocannon
ATGM´s
Max speed: 70km/h
Armor: can withstand fire from 25mm
Medium tanks
Rank II
V-8-H-Sv (2.7)
Armament: 47mm Škoda A11
Max speed: 40km/h
Armor: max 60mm
Rank III
Škoda T-24 (5.7)
Armament: 75mm Škoda A13
Max speed: 58km/h
Engine: 280 kW
Armor: max 60mm
Rank IV
Tatra T-25 (6.0)
Armament: 75mm Škoda A18
reload speed: 1.5 seconds
magazine size: 5 rounds
Max speed: 60km/h
Engine 1: 331 kW
Engine 2: 37 kW
Armor: max 60mm
T-34/100 Konštrukta (6.3)
Armament: 100mm vz.44
Max speed: 55km/h
Armor: max 90mm
Škoda T-40 (6.7)
Armament: 88mm KwK 36
Max speed: 50-60km/h
Engine: 736 kW
Armor: around 70-100mm
TVP (6.7)
Armament: 88mm KwK 36
Max speed: 50-60km/h
Engine: 736 kW
Armor: Max 100mm
**Rank **
Škoda T-50 (7.3)
Armament: 100mm AK 1
Max speed: 60km/h
Engine: 736 kW
Armor: max 100mm
T-54A (7.7)
Armament: 100mm D10-TG
Max speed: 50km/h
Armor: max 200mm
T-55AR Řeka (7.7)
Armament: 100mm D10-TG
Max speed: 50km/h
Armor: max 200mm
T-55A (8.3)
Armament: 100mm D10-T2S
Max speed: 50km/h
Armor: max 200mm
Rank VI
T-72 (9.0)
Armament: 125mm 2A46
Max speed: 60km/h
Armor:
450mm against HEAT
380mm against APFSDS
Rank VII
T-72-T21 (11.0)
Armament: 120mm F1
Max speed: 60km/h
Armor: Similiar to Moderna
Leopard 2A8 (12.0)
Armament: 120mm Rh120 L/55
Max speed: 72km/h
Armor: similiar to Leopard 2A7
APS: Trophy
Czech goverment is currently in talks with Germany about purchase of over 70 Leopard 2A8 MBTs. The tank in the picture isnt an actual Leopard 2A8 (that one isnt produced yet AFAIK). Its a demonstrator based on Leopard 2A7DK meant to show capabilities of Leopard 2A8 and it will work as a placeholder until the real 2A8 is revealed.
Tank destroyers
Rank I
** Geschützwagen 38 sIG.33/1 Grille (1.0)**
Armament: 15cm s.I.G. 33/1
Max speed: 42km/h
Armor: weak
** Praga LKMVP (1.0)**
Armament: 37mm škoda vz.34 or vz.37
Max speed: 52km/h
Armor: max 12mm
VOSS 2 (1.3)
Armament: 150mm s.I.G. 33
Max speed: 50km/h
Armor: max 50mm
LSD-76 (2.0)
Armament: 76mm ZIS-3
Max speed: 30km/h
Armor: max 35mm
SU-76M
Rank II
Marder III (2.3)
Armament: 76,2mm PaK 36
Max speed: 43km/h
Armor: max 50mm
VOSS 1 (2.3)
Armament: 75mm Škoda A16
Max speed: 50km/h
Armor: max 50mm
** 105mm vz. 18 N T-22( 2.7)**
Armament: 105mm vz.18 N
Max speed: 50km/h
Armor: unknown
Rank III
TSD-152 (4.7)
Armament: 152mm ML-20S
Max speed: 35km/h
Armor: max 90mm
IS-152
** 76.2mm ShPTK 6.6/900-LP (5.0)**
Armament: 76.2mm Škoda A19
Max speed: around 45km/h
Armor: unknown
** ShPTK vz.43N (5.3)**
Armament: 88mm PaK 43/1
Max speed: 40km/h
Armor: max 30mm
Nashorn
Rank IV
SD-100 (6.0)
Armament: 100mm vz.44
Max speed: 48km/h
Armor: max 75mm
SD-100/A20 (6.3)
Armament: 100mm A20
Max speed: 48km/h
Armor: max 75mm
2S1 Gvozdika (6.0)
Armament: 122mm 2A31
Max speed: 60km/h
Armor: max 20mm
** 100mm ShPTK 14.75/900-TVP (6.3)**
Armament: 100mm Skoda R 11
Max speed: around 45km/h
Armor: unknown
OT-64 DATEL (7.0)
Armament: 100mm recoilless gun
Max speed: 94km/h
Armor: max 10mm
Rank V
9P133 (7.7)
Armament: 18x 9M14P missiles
Max speed: 95km/h
Armor: max 12mm
Rank VI
** IVECO LMV SMV 01 (8.3)**
Armament:
4x 9K111 Fagot
or
4x 9K113 Konkurs-M
Max speed: 110km/h
Armor: can withstand small arms fire
9P148 (8.7)
Armament: 15x 9M113 missiles
Max speed: 95km/h
Armor: max 12mm
Zetor Gerlach Javelin (9.0)
Armament: Javelin ATGM´s
Max speed: 110km/h
Armor: can withstand small arms fire
Aligator Mini-Samson (9.3)
Armament:
12.7mm M2 Browning
2x Spike-LR
Max speed: 135km/h
Armor: can protect from 50.cal
This vehicle is equipped with SADS (Small Arms fire Detection System), which shows direction of incoming fire and approximate distance of the firing enemy
Zubr PSP TOW (9.3)
Armament: TOW ATGM´s
Max speed: 115km/h
Armor: can withstand fire from 14.5mm
Rank VII
Zubr PSP 105mm (10.0)
Armament: 105mm cannon
Max speed: 115km/h
Armor: can withstand fire from 14.5mm
Zetor Wolfdog 120mm (11.3)
Armament: 120mm cannon
Max speed: 70km/h
Armor: can withstand fire from 25mm
SPAAs
Rank I
OT-810 with DShK (1.0)
Armament: 12.7mm vz.38/46
Max speed: 60km/h
Armor: max 15mm
M14 MGMC (1.7)
Armament: 2x 12.7mm M2TTHB
Max speed: 68km/h
Armor: weak
Rank II
2 cm Flak 38 auf Bergepanzer 38 (t) (2.0)
Armament: 20mm Flak 38
Max speed: 40km/h
Armor: max 60mm
Flakpanzer IV Möbelwagen (3.0)
Armament: 37mm Flak 43/1
Max speed: 38km/h
Armor: max 80mm
Captured from German forces after then end of WW2. Picture doesn´t show Czech Mobelwagen
Rank III
Flakpanzer IV Wirbelwind (3.7)
Armament: 4x 20mm Flak 38
Max speed: 38km/h
Armor: max 80mm
Captured from German forces after then end of WW2. Picture doesn´t show Czech Wirbelwind
Flakpanzer IV Ostwind (3.7)
Armament: 37mm Flak 43
Max speed: 38km/h
Armor: max 80mm
Rank IV
50mm ShPLK 2.12/1020-LP (5.0)
Armament: 50mm AA gun
Max speed: around 45km/h
Armor: unknown
LP-157 (6.0)
Armament: 57mm R12
Max speed: 55km/h
Armor: max 47mm
30mm PLDVK on HAKO APC (6.0)
Armament: 30mm PLDVK vz.53
Max speed: 60km/h
Armor: max 15mm
Rank V
MR-2 Viktor with thermals (6.7)
Armament: 2x 14.5mm KPVT
Max speed: around 150km/h
Armor: none
LP-257 (7.0)
Armament: 2x 57mm Škoda R10
Max speed: 55km/h
Armor: max 47mm
Rank VI
STYX (8.0)
Armament:
35mm OERLIKON
Max speed: 100km/h
Armor: can withstand small arms fire
OT-90 PVO (8.3)
Armament:
14.5mm KPVT
10x Igla MANPADs
Max speed: 65km/h
Armor: max 19mm
9K31M Strela-1M (8.7)
Armament: 4x 9M31M missiles
Max speed: 100km/h
Armor: can protect from small arms fire
9K35M Strela-10M
Armament: 4x 9M37M missiles
Max speed: 62km/h
Armor: max 7mm
Tatra T815-7 RBS-70
Armament: RBS-70
Max speed: 115km/h
Armor: none
Premium
Rank I
Škoda Š-II (1.0)
Armament: 47mm Škoda A2
Max speed: 31km/h
Armor: max 15mm
Kolohousenka KH-60 (1.0)
Armament: 37mm Škoda L/27
Max speed:
15km/h on tracks
35km/h on wheels
Armor: max 14mm
AH-IV 20mm (1.0)
Armament: 20mm m/45B Bofors
Max speed: 40km/h
Armor: max 10mm
PM-1 (1.3)
Armament: flamethrower
Max speed: 40km/h
Armor: max 60mm
Atypický Tank Tatra (1.7)
Armament: 47mm Škoda A9
Max speed: 35km/h
Armor: max 50mm
Sd.Kfz.140/1 (2.0)
Armament: 2cm Kw.K. 38 L/55
Max speed: 45km/h
Armor: max 50mm
Rank II
MGC-14.5 (2.3)
Armament: 14.5mm KPVT
Max speed: 65km/h
Armor: max 33mm
MGC-1 (2.7)
armament: 14.5mm KPVT
Max speed: 65km/h
Armor: can withstand fire from 14.5mm
43M Zrínyi II (3.0)
Armament: 105mm Mávag 40/43.M
Max speed: 40km/h
Armor: max 75mm
105mm vz.18 N Turán (3.3)
Armament: 105mm vz.18 N
Max speed: 50km/h
Armor: unknown
105mm vz.18 N Hetzer (3.3)
Armament: 105mm vz.18 N
Max speed: 40km/h
Armor: unknown
Hummel (3.7)
Armament: 150mm s.F.H.18/1
Max speed: 42km/h
Armor: max 30mm
105mm vz.18 N Panther (3.7)
Armament: 105mm vz.18 N
Max speed: around 46km/h
Armor: unknown
ShPTK 40/75N (4.0)
Armament: 75mm kanon StuK 40
Max speed: 40km/h
Armor: max 80mm
Stug III Ausf.G
305mm B-20 Panther (4.0)
Armament: 305mm B-20
Max speed: around 30km/h
Armor: unknown
Rank III
150mm StuH 43 Hetzer (4.0)
Armament: 150mm StuH 43
Max speed: 40km/h
Armor: unknown
Pbv 501 (5.0)
Armament: 73mm 2A28
Max speed: 70km/h
Armor: max 23mm
SVO (5.0)
Armament:
24x explosive charge
26,5kg THAF-2 liquid explosive each
range 250-530m
shells have proxy fuse and explode above ground
Max speed: 65km/h
Armor: max 23mm
BM-21MU (5.3)
Armament: 40x 122mm rockets
Max speed: 75km/h
Armor: none
BM-21MT (5.7)
Armament: 40x 122mm rockets
Max speed: 90km/h
Armor: none
Rank IV
RM-70/85 122mm (6.0)
Armament: 28x 122mm JROF rockets
Max speed: 80km/h
Armor: can stop small arms fire
ShM Pandur 8x8 CZ (6.0)
Armament: 120mm mortar
Max speed: 105km/h
Armor: can withstand fire from 14.5mm
2S7 Pion (6.0)
Armament: 203mm 2A44
Max speed: 50km/h
Armor: max 10mm
Tygr I Škoda (6.0)
Armament: 75mm Škoda A18
Max speed: 45km/h
Armor: max 102mm
RM-70M1 (6.3)
Armament: 122mm rocket launcher
Max speed: 85km/h
Armor: can withstand small arms fire
Škoda Tygr P (6.3)
Armament: 105mm Škoda L/40.5
Max speed: 32km/h
Armor: max 204mm
RM-70 Vampire (6.7)
Armament: 122mm rocket launcher
Max speed: 90km/h
Armor: can withstand small arms fire
Rank V
Caesar 8x8 (7.0)
Armament: 155mm cannon
Max speed: 90km/h
Armor: can protect from 50cal
Burevij (7.7)
Armament: 16x 220mm rocket launcher
Max speed: 105km/h
Armor: can withstand small arms fire (with armored cabin)
Al-Mared (7.7)
Armament: 30mm L21A1 RARDEN
Max speed: 110km/h
Armor: can withstand fire from 14.5mm
T-55 (8.0)
Armament: D10-T2S
Max speed: 50km/h
Armor: max 200mm
Rank VI
T-54AM2 Kladivo (8.3)
Armament: 100mm D10-T2SA
Max speed: 50km/h
Armor:
300mm against APFSDS
450mm against HEAT
BVP-1 VMT-VK30.1 (8.3)
Armament:
30mm 2A42
2x ATGM
Max speed: 65km/h
Armor: same as regular BVP-1
Al-Wahsh
Armament:
4x ATGMs
Max speed: 110km/h
Armor: can withstand small arms fire
T-72M (9.3)
Armament: 125mm 2A46
Max speed: 60km/h
Armor:
490mm against HEAT
380mm against APFSDS
Rank VII
T-72EA Avenger (Morocco)
Armament: 125mm 2A46
Max speed: 60km/h
Armor: similiar to T-72B
Kontakt-1 ERA can´t defeat tandem charges
Compared to regular T-72EA Avenger, which is an upgrade of T-72M and M1, this one is an upgrade of T-72B
T-72M3 (10.3)
Armament: 125mm 2A46
Max speed: 60km/h
Armor:
520mm against APFSDS
1200mm against HEAT
DYNA ERA can defeat tandem charges
Its basically T-72M4 without a new engine and transmission.
CV90 CZ (10.7)
Armament:
30mm Bushmaster II
2x Spike-LR
Max speed: 70km/h
Armor: can protect from 30mm APFSDS
APS: Iron Fist
ASCOD 42 (10.7)
Armament:
30mm Bushmaster Mk 44
Spike ATGMs
Max speed: 70km/h
Armor: can withstand fire from 25mm
APS: Iron Fist
Tested by the Czech and Slovak army during their tender for new IFV
LYNX KF41 (10.7)
Armament:
30mm MK 30-2/ABM
Spike ATGMs
Max speed: 70km/h
Armor: can withstand fire from 25mm
Tested by the Czech and Slovak army during their tender for new IFV
KBVP Pandur II Prototype (10.7)
Armament:
30mm Bushmaster II
2x Spike-LR
Max speed: 105km/h
Armor: can withstand fire from 14.5mm
This vehicle differs from the production variant by slightly different hull, Spike missiles placed horizontally instead of vertically, different placement of smoke launchers and lack of commander CITV
Number of vehicles as of now:
Rank I: 27 researchable vehicles + 13 premium vehicles
Rank II: 25 researchable vehicles + 10 premium vehicles
Rank III: 19 researchable vehicles + 8 premium vehicles
Rank IV: 31 researchable vehicles + 12 premium vehicles
Rank V: 30 researchable vehicles + 10 premium/event vehicles
Rank VI: 39 researchable vehicles + 9 premium/event vehicles
Rank VII: 23 researchable vehicles + 9 event vehicles
Total vehicle count: 265 vehicles (making it by far the largest techtree in game)
Of that:
156 fully indigenous (I.E. developed and produced in Czech/Slovak factories) (59%)
72 upgrades of foreign vehicles (mainly of licenses) (27%)
37 copy-paste (14%)
(of that, 18 (7%) are completely new (not in the game yet))
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Ehhh…nothing against your work…but i dont think that adding pretty much a paper tanks would be a good idea. It is nice to see some crazy project we had, but it doesnt fit into the TT.
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Thats the reason why i added them into the extended proposal only. I also don’t think paper designs (maybe exept for a few interesting ones) would get actually added into the game. Extended proposal is meant to show all of the possible additions, including paper and copy-paste designs. Its not meant to show how the tree will actually look like (it would look nothing like that nor be even close to being so big), more like all of the lineups they are able to create and vehicles they are able to add.
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I must say the only paper tanks i would love to see would be the LP-152 and LP-257. Which would be pretty much deadlier ZSU-52-2. Epsecialy with crew hidden inside the tanks, even tho the hull was T-34/85. Still those 2 would be interesting
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There is no info on Czech 57 mm AP ammunition. Probably there was none, only plans were to make them. The only things I found that would maybe work ingame are training rounds. Those are basically HE shells filled with clay instead of explosives. If it will be classified as AP it would have a penetration just over 90 mm.
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Well, there was 57mm AP ammunition for prptottpe A-25 gun, but yeah, nothing besides HE and training for R-10
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Yeah but that has a different cartridge. With that logic ZSU-57-2 APHE also works. But it should not in my opinion. Training rounds with decreased penetration to about 55-70 mm should work, at a BR… Maybe 5.7-6.0.
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I think i read somewhere that there were planned a HE and AP rounds for those guns to go with. But like theAftiksPL said, the same 57mm that was on R 10 only used HE and training rounds.
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Yes, AP was planned, but without any information it shouldnt be ingame.
These are what projectiles I found
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Yeah…but i must say if those project were completed it would be a really interesting vehicles.
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I like the concept and I wouldn’t mind seeing prototype or paper vehicles in if it’s within reason and nothing super crazy, however don’t you think that certain thing wouldn’t work at all in wt? I mean things like Mortar Pandur, Pion, Burevij, 8x8 Caesar.
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At MSPO 2023 there were shown Prototypes of Ottokar-Brzoza and Anti drone system also based on Waran 4x4
The Prototype has 6 instead of 4 Brimstone launchers that were on the pre-production model and it lacks roof mounted rcws
This is Waran mounted with 12.7mm ZSMU A3B remote control turret intended for use against UAVs
I’m not sure how effective they’ll would be ,but it’s a possible addition to the tech tree.
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Im indeed aware that some of the vehicles in the extended tree probably would not work in the game or would be very rarely useable.
Pion would work, but it’ll be a meme derp gun similiarly to Sturmtiger. Hardly useable in most cases, but still preety fun (compared to Sturmtiger it also has slightly better reload, much better velocity and slightly better mobility)
Burevij would work similiarly to Andriusha (or whatever that katyusha with big rockets Is). Actually, it would work even better, because unlike most MLRS systems we have in-game, it has minimal depression of 0°. Its rockets also would destroy anything in a single hit. Again, Burevij would be more of a meme vehicle, but it would work.
Pandur with Mortar more than probably wouldn’t work in the current state of game. If gaijin implements some system of indirect fire (not like in WOT obviously, but something similiar to enlisted’s mortar squads), it could work, but only against static targets, capture points etc. Again, very situational, and way less usefull than those named before. I actually have one self-propelled mortar in the researchable line already - the PRAM-S, but that one compared to pandur has only 3 second reload and, most importantly, 4 Konkurs ATGMs, so that one shouldnt have much problems.
Caesar probably won’t work at all. I put it into the extended tree just to show that it could be added, but i really, really doubt it would be usefull even if they implemented indirect fire or larger maps.
The limited usefullness of the vehicles named above is one of the main reasons why i haven’t addded these vehicles into the regular suggestion (just the extended one) and i completely agree some of them would probably not work in War Thunder (there are about 5 of such vehicles that i know of)
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Nice find! I really like the one with rotarry to machinegun.
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Aren’t those Polish though?
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There is still possibility of mixing Czechoslovakian and Polan together for a new TT
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Well, the chassis is modified Czech Patriot II for Polish service. Plus it has Tatra suspension and a Tatra motor.
Yeah there still is
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