Czechoslovak ground tree

TADAMAT · August 6, 2023, 9:30pm

May i ask why the CV-90s should be a problem? :D

Preety much all the mechanics and armaments (exept for 35mm bushmaster 3) are already in-game. A year ago id say that Spike missiles would make them broken, but it turned out that Spikes arent that great in-game. They should do OK on BRs 10.7 and 11.0, which is higher than any other in-game IFV, and 0.7/1.0 BR rise over the best Swedish IFV - Strf 9040C, which compared to Czech/Slovak versions has better gun and base protection, but lacks APS, Missiles, has worse thermals and electronics overall, worse mobility…

TomášFoolery · August 6, 2023, 9:37pm

It’s simply my issue, I have PTSD from those vehicles.

TADAMAT · August 6, 2023, 9:44pm

Oh ok :D

Colerend · August 8, 2023, 9:39pm

This vehicle doesn’t even exist as of now. Hold your horses till they actually make it .

Colerend · August 8, 2023, 9:40pm

This tech tree looks great. Hope we see it in game.

Mahiwew · August 15, 2023, 12:26pm

Absolutely a +1!
This tree should be one of the next, if not THE next trees in the game

Sombralix · August 18, 2023, 1:44pm

Main Line
Tier 1:
Praga LTH - Reserve (Light)
LT Vz. 34 - Reserve (Light)
LT Vz. 35 - Reserve (Light)
LT Vz. 38 early - 1.3 (Light)
LT Vz. 40 - 1.7 (Light)
LT Vz. 38 Late - 2.0 (Light)

Tier 2:
Škoda LT-15 - 2.0 (Light)
Škoda T-12 - 2.0 (Light)
Š-III - 2.3 (Medium)
ST Vz. 39 - 2.3 (Medium)
T-21 - 2.3 (Medium)

Tier 3:
T-23M - 2.7 (Medium)
Panzer III N - 3.0 (Medium)
Panzer IV J SNP - 4.0 (Medium)
Cromwell VII - 4.0 (Medium)
VYDRA 19mm - 4.7 (Light)

Tier 4:
Tiger I 75mm A18 - 5.7 (Heavy)
VYDRA VK-30 - 6.3 (Light)
T-34-85 ČKD - 6.3 (Medium) [APCBC / HEAT]
IS-2 (1944) - 6.3 (Heavy)

Tier 5:
IS-3 - 7.0 (Heavy) [APCBC]
T-54A - 7.7 (MBT) [APCBC]
T-54M - 8.0 (MBT) [3BM-8]
T-55AM1 - 8.3 (MBT) [3BM-20]
T-55/DYNA - 8.7 (MBT) [3BM-25]

Tier 6:
T-72M - 9.0 (MBT) [3BM-9 / 3BM-12]
T-72M1 - 9.3 (MBT) [3BM-12 / 3BM15]
T-72EA - 10.0 (MBT) [VETRA]
T-72M1A - 10.3 (MBT) [TAPNA]
T-72M3CZ - 10.3 (MBT) [VETRA]

Tier 7:
T-72M2 Early - 10.7 (MBT) [TAPNA]
T-72M4CZ - 10.7 (MBT) [VETRA]
T-72M2 Late - 10.7 (MBT) [TAPNA / IHLA]
Leopard 2A4SK - 11.3 (MBT) [DM63A1]
Leopard 2A4CZ - 11.3 (MBT) [DM63A1]

SPAAG Line:
Tier 1:
2cm VKPL vz.36 - 1.7 (SPAA)

Tier 2:
Tatra MT-6 - 2.7 (SPAA)

Tier 3:
PUV-6 - 3.7 (SPAA)
VYDRA NS-23 - 4.7 (SPAA)

Tier 4:
M53/59 - 6.7 (SPAA)

Tier 5:
BVP Strop - 8.0 (SPAA)

Tier 6:
Strop II - 9.7 (SPAA)

Tier 7:
9K33 OSA - 11.7 (SPAA)

TD / SPG / IFV Line
Tier 1:
Skoda LKMVP - 1.0BR (TD)
Skoda Š-I-D - 1.3 (TD)
Š-I-J - 2.0 (TD)

Tier 2:
Hetzer - 4.3 (TD)
OT-810D - 4.3 (TD)

Tier 3:
OT-62B - 5.0 (TD)
OT-65A - 5.0 (TD)
OT-62D - 5.7 (TD)
OA-82 - 5.7 (TD)

Tier 4:
Vz.77 Dana - 6.3 (SPG)
Vz.77/99 Dana - 6.3 (SPG)
Vz.77 Dana XA-1 - 6.7 (SPG)
Zuzana 2 - 6.7 (SPG)

Tier 5:
155mm SPGH DITA - 7.0 (SPG)
Himalaya - 7.3 (TD)
OT-64 Cobra - 8.0 (IFV)

Tier 6:
CV9035 Mk IV - 9.3 (IFV)
BVP-M2 - 10.0 (IFV)

Tier 7:
Pandur II - 10.3 (IFV)
BOV VYDRA - 10.3 (IFV)

Premiums:
Tier 1:
ČKD P-II-b - 1.3 (Light)

Tier 2:
Škoda T-11 - 1.7 (Light)
V-8-H - 2.3 (Medium)

Tier 3:
OA S-971 - 5.0 (TD)

Tier 4:
Vz.77 Ordana - 6.3 (SPG)

Tier 5:
BVP-M - 7.3 (IFV)

Tier 6:
T-55AM2B - 8.7 (MBT) [3BM-25]
T-72 Scarab - 10.3 (MBT) [VETRA]

TADAMAT · August 18, 2023, 6:26pm

Looks quite nice, but i have a few questions:

Why is OT-64A SKOT on 8.3? I know only of variants that are armed with 14.5mm KPVT, some even could be equipped with Malyutka, but thats all. Unless there is some other variant with different, stonger armament, i think 8.3 is way too high (i know there is also Cobra, but that one is already a separate vehicle in your tree).

Do you have info about which HEAT shells T-34/85CZ used exactly? i could find APHE and HE shells for it only.

Did Czech and Slovak Leopard 2A4s really receive DM63A1? I couldnt find any info about what ammo they received, so if you have a source claiming DM63A1, could you please post it here? Also, do you know approximate penetration of the round (i would guess around 700-750mm) and whenever the CZ/SK Leopards received some upgrades (I´ve heard about new gunner thermals, but that could be false) so that i could adjust its BR in my techtree? It would be really helpfull!

Sombralix · August 18, 2023, 6:56pm

DM63 L/44 is same penetration as DM53 L/44

For the OT-64 it’s cuz the bmp-1’s went to 8.0
Everything was uptiered

85mm BK-2M HEAT - 300mm penetration

Endrosey · August 19, 2023, 3:56am

OT-64 Skot is not an IFV, it’s an APC something like Btr-60/70 and gets only 14.5mm.

Sombralix · August 19, 2023, 8:03am

Nah the czsk versions get ATGM on it as well

Mahiwew · August 19, 2023, 10:14am

That doesn’t make it an IFV.
IFVs are meant to drop off troops and then support the troops directly in combat while APCs don’t support their troops beyond transportation.
OT-64 isn’t an IFV with the exception of the Cobra variant.

Colerend · August 19, 2023, 11:44am

What the name OT-64A SKOT refers to?

Colerend · August 19, 2023, 11:50am

What ATGM’s?

Shadow_CZ · August 19, 2023, 10:05pm

None, Czechoslovak OT-64s didn´t have them. None of the czech/slovak sources mentions instalation of any ATGM on the czsk on OT-64.

The only possibility for czsk OT-64 with ATGM is this, but that isn´t version armed with ATGMs but just ATGM displayed for purposes of parade which are normaly intended for the soldiers carried inside. There is no provision how to controll these from inside the OT-64