Czechoslovak air tree

Im grateful for the criticism, but i would like to specify and/or correct few things:

Thats the only thing it can do really. Would have great maneuverability and top speed, but armament completely useless against planes and only partly usefull against ground targets. I wouldnt see it being used much in air RB, just ground only, as it can do some damage there atleast.

L-39 can both take off and land on 480m and 600m, respectively, so War Thunders mid-tier airfield runways should be good enough (atleast the main ones). Even strategic bombers can land on them after all.
Also small fun fact: L-39 can even operate from grass runways:

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Its able to carry 2x 100kg bombs, 2x 16x S-5K rocket pods and 2x R-3S missiles (which it probably wouldnt get on such low br ofcourse). Some sources even talk about ability to carry two PK-3 gunpods (with 3 PKM machinegun each), but i aint really sure about that because of lack of info

Honestly, i get your point. I myself also can see that this plane would be basically useless (which is why i put it so low in the first place), but at the same time i think removing it completely from the tree would also be a mistake, as it would create a preety significant BR gap and remove one of the most legendary training (and civilian) jet aircraft ever build from the tree (yes, there are also other variants of the L-39 in the tree, but those just arent anywhere as numerous and popular as the L-39C)

L-39ZO has 4 pylons instead of 2 on C, and can carry not only FAB-250, but also FAB-500 on pylons closer to the centre. That greatly improves its usefullness in both air and ground battles, but decreases its maneuverability by alot. It will again be completely unarmed, unless we give it the lackluster PK-3 gunpods or R-3S missiles. The BR of 6.3 seems kinda justified to me, or it should be at about 6.7/7.0 max, as Arado 234 B-2 with preety much the same armament (no guns, 1500kg of bombs) and comparable/slightly worse flight characteristics when fully loaded is also at 6.3.

Problem is, those IR missiles are R-3S - literally the worst IR missiles in-game, which can be very easily outmaneuvered by any pilot slightly aware of his surroundings. It also has a harder time locking onto non-jet airplanes with propellers, as they usually have way colder engines located on the front, decreasing the range of the missile drastically. L-39CM would thus bu nothing else than a classic L-39ZO with capability to ocasionally do boom-and-zoom attacks against unaware enemies or bombers.

Launch platform is also very important part of using FOX-3s effectively. Just look at the F-4 ICE. It can carry 4 AIM-120s (while ALCA would probably carry just 2), It has a better anti-air radar with better range (ALCAs radar is mainly anti-ground), its way faster, yet, the plane is overall shit compard to other FOX-3 aircraft. ALCA wouldnt be overpowered just because of having FOX-3s, either. I will ofcourse raise its BR in my tree accordingly with the new BR changes in the future, probably to 12.7 or 13.0.

That would create a terrible BR gap of 3.3 BRs, which isnt the greatest idea. I could see the L-39C and CA removed, with ZO staying exactly where it is and CM replacing CA in the premium line. Also, historical progression? Is that what i think it is? Because if yes, then we havent really had that in-game for a very long time (lets just look at majorit of Swedish tree)

That seems unnecessary. As ive already said, L-159 wont be anywhere close to being overpowered. Gaijin also doesnt even need to give it the AIM-120s, as it was never truly outfitted with them, but it can carry and use them after few small modifications (fitted for but not with is the official term)

That one is already in there, at rank IV, in the strike aircraft (middle) line. Same with scout L-29RS variant, which is in premium line. They are preety much like P-59A, just with way worse armament but better maneuverability. with just 8x 80mm (i think S-8) rockets and at best 2x 100kg bombs, it again is only useable as a low-flying ambush attacker, usefull for skilled pilots only.

Actually, your wrong. I mean about the guns obviously. The 7.92mm gunpods that the L-29 can use carry a whopping 90 rounds each, meaning 180 rounds in total. You will deplete all of your ammo in only 4.5 seconds, and with it being 7.92mm, it wont do much damage, either.

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Problem with the early L-39’s is still very visible for me.

It’s a binary power position of either incredibly weak or incredibly strong, and the only difference between the two is the guns. In terms of armament, it won’t ever compete with anything above 2.7, but it will quite frankly out fly a bunch of jets in the 7.7 to 8.3 stretch. I can shoot down anything if given a little time, or run just run away with complete impunity from anything that’s even remotely close to my own BR.

Which is my major criticism against all of the low tier L-39’s. It’s an He-100 scenario cranked past 11.

You make a good point on the Fox-3’s, but I still hold my point on the L-39’s.

A great tree to be added to the game

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I certainly agree that this is a valid option for a nation, but the L-29 Delfin seems a little low in BR, no? I may be wrong tho, but it’s intriguingly low.

L-29 indeed has a preety low BR considering its production date (first prototype flew in 1959). Main reason for this is the fact that the L-29 and L-29R have very limited armament. Both can carry just either 2x100kg bombs, 4x 130mm rockets, 8x 57mm S-5 rockets or 2x 7.92mm MG17 machineguns with whopping 90 rounds each (180 total ammo carried). As you can see, the armament isnt very great, horrible even, and basically the only useage for the L-29 in the game will be as a very fast boom-and-zoom meme plane which only very experienced players could effectively use due to its limited armament (could work something like the BI, just with way worse guns but better range at lower BR). The best solution for the L-29 in the game would probably be making it an optionally researchable plane by foldering it either with the Uhu or Avia B-33. That way, players wont be required to grind out a very lacking plane, while at the same time not taking away the option to play one of the most legendary trainer jets in the world from the tree.

(L-29R Oko is at a lower BR of 4.3 compared to regular L-29s 4.7 because its 600kg heavier BTW (about 26% empty weight increase over the base Delfín))

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Now that you’ve mentioned all that, it makes much more sense. Thanks for clarifying.

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Amazing idea, + while your post has been inspiring people, the two countries (CZ, SK) upgrading their air forces with F-35s and F16s.

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What about this?

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Well I dont know what to think about this

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bruh39

Bruh
When will the USSR get Gripens and Vipers to make the matches more ridiculous?
Don’t forget about Leopards and CV90
And also more Polish vehicles for Germany (WWII vehicles of course). I don’t know if that will piss poles off enough, but at least a little.

This is a exaggeration dont take this crap i had written seriously

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the BREN is an absolute darling of a gun, may be heavy but good lord is it well built. also extremely simple to tear down for cleaning, a lever for the barrel and a pin for the lower.

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Could have just used the Mig-AT your not making anyone happy with this addition

Literally worst case scenario for both Czech Republic and Slovakia if this solidifies it into the USSR tree.

That leaves Poland as the last remotely close to independent tree in eastern/central Europe which even if you threw the Baltics, Ukraine, Georgia and Moldova the tree would still suffer from some noticeable gaps.

Well at least acording to the leak it looks like premium. So when Czechoslovak tt comes it can be made reaserchable in the tt and removed from the soviet one ( as was done with the Vautour IIA IDF in the french tt)

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Yeah, I was honestly expecting the L-39 airframe to come out when the Thai sub tree got announced

L-39ZA is cooler

Dont forget F-35 :)

I will hate them so much if they choose to truly add both the most legendary Czechoslovak airplane and the most widely used jet trainer jet in the world as a pack premium. Like damn, i get that they gotta earn money, but this is the 3rd (4th when counting Moderna) Czechoslovak premium vehicle in the Soviet tree. Why cant they just add the tree already? They could even put the sh#t ton of premiums in there like i propose, but no, they gotta sell them both in Soviet tree and later on in Czechoslovak/Czecho-Polish tree (or something like that) to get paid twice for the exact same thing (just like they did in the case of Israeli Apache or the Strv 81 (RB 52)) :(

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Sub tree noises intensely intensify.

I will probably self-defenestrate if that ever happens :)

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