I was actually talking about the “trig tracking” here, specifically in that it is able to automatically lase the target after the first pulse whereas prior systems required multiple lases. This is the same functionality that track radars like the one on the m163 have which is represented as the ability to track the target in game.
No? i didn’t?
Proof?
Because the JANUS has a search function.
I was also just explaining all the general differences to show that the mechanic of trig tracking isn’t in game yet.
We already went over this, in game it’s refereed to as commander fire control while irl it’s part of bae refers to it as “alternative line of sight.” (the commander and gunner can both use the utaas(sight) and commander sight)
At this point I’m even more confused:
In game you lock a target by putting your crosshair and clicking lock, then the gun automatically begins to track the target with a lead angle being provided. Tarkan Turkcan described the process of the cv90 as the operator lasing the target once while in AA mode, then the sight being stabilized to the target and the gun automatically leading. He explicitly states that the sight can be directed away from the target, but as soon as it returns within a certain angle of the target the stabilization re engages with no additional input by the operator.
What can the spaa do that the cv90 is missing here?
Saab says: “No re‑aiming is needed. Gun-laying is automatically controlled by the fire-control computer.” UTAAS Tank and Anti-Aircraft System | Saab
That doesn’t talk about tracking, that means that the gun automatically does the lead aim while the reticle remains on target so the gun isn’t aimed where the sight is looking but rather aimed where it needs to aim to hit. So the gunner doesn’t need to manually re-aim after using the laser range finder to account for movement and distance.
If the tracking is being performed by the ball camera automatically then surely the gun would automatically be laying on target?
I don’t doubt that it probably can. The issue here is that we have no proof of it. Gut feeling and assumptions doesn’t really work. This is what @Necronomica is explaining.
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The ball camera is the commander sight, if the gun is performing as saab described and leading whatever the sight is tracking and the commander sight is performing as described by following the target then the gun would be leading the target that the sight is tracking.
Also, if the sight wasn’t tracking the target then it would be impossible for it to know the range to the target without the operator lasing the target again.
It already tracks moving targets, that’s part of the basic “trig tracking,” this is simply a correction of your sentiment that it required something more than one manual lase to continue updating the track.
No it isn’t as it’s not talking about the tracking.
You’re still making a lot of assumptions. You will need sources and proof for this to be reportable.
I gave you a video of the designer speaking to a user on behalf of the manufacturer, I do not know what more proof is needed to believe they were not lying.
Again, not optical tracking and doesn’t have the JANUS sight on that version.
He also does not say what you claim he does. He literally says you have to manually lase the target for the trig tracking to start acting (and again, not a function in game so i don’t know why were still discussing that one since it’s not an argument that can be used for a bug report). If the target falls outside of the zone then the gunner has to manually adjust the sight back to the target for the trig track to start again.
what the old Strf 90 does when it “tracks” aerial targets is that the operator manually lays the gun on the target, lases once, follows the target and lases again slightly later, this then engages a sort of cruise control that follows the vector that gets created along the two points in space. if the target changes course then the operator manually has to adjust and lase again for the cannon to keep the lead accurate.
This is all we have actual proof of what the CV90’s in service can do.
We have no proof of the video tracking modules being installed in vehicles in service even though they exist. Even though the JANUS here has this functionality too we have no proof it can communicate this to the FCS in the demonstrator variant we currently have in game.
But to support your argument there is often just the need for technical feasability for stuff to be added in certain scenarios so given that all vehicles with the UTAAS sight and FCS certainly have technical feasability to have these modifications. But then it is just up to the devs to see if they like us enough to add it, which certainly has not happened with the CV90’s
Biggest difference is that the Mk.IV the gunner only lase once and then the FCS automatically sends pulses of lasers to adjust the cruise control with higher resolution. it can however not follow in 3D if the lase falls outside of the tracked target.
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ah alright, I didn’t know that, still requires the operator to manually ajust the track when it moves outside what the cruise control moves it without the video tracker module installed
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The earlier strf uses a single optical tower for its sight and fcs, while the modern ones use digital cameras which are electronically connected to the fcs.
I came into this conversation after discovering that the later upgrades such as the mkiv and mkiiic utilize separate target tracking cameras for this function.
While this part is technically correct it should be noted that falling outside of the tracked target means falling outside of the field of view of the fcs, as the user is not only not required to make additional adjustments to keep the lase, but can leave the target and return to it without needing to re initiate.(this is explicitly stated in the video)
Additionally the fov of the fcs on the mkiv is a full 360 due to the panoramic sight.
No, the laser isn’t a wide beam that is as wide as the screen, it’s a pin point laser at the center of the aimpoint.
Incorrect, listen to what he says in the video.
Correct but if the gunner leaves the target he has to manually come back to it. Leaving the target is as simple as the center crosshair no longer being on the target.
Only the last part, you’re assuming the first parts or directly contradicting what he says in the video.
For detection.
The stabilization re engages when the gunner gets within a certain angle of the target, it doesn’t require him to range find again.