Why would I want that tornado to be irreleventer
God no
The FSP should be added with them and ASRAAMs.
But a foldered late-late would be perfect as C&B torture for anyone that wants to try to make it work
The current F.3 (late) should stay as it is, they can add another F.3 upgrade variant with 120C-5s and other improvements at a higher BR.
Given C5 has been nerfed to be almost equal to A/B variants, C5 can be safely handed out to every A/B AMRAAM carrier with no risk of actual game balance changes.
Yeah sure, let’s also give all planes that currently only carry AIM-9Bs AIM-9Es, all planes that only carry AIM-9Ds AIM-9Gs/Hs, all planes that only carry R-27R/T R-27ER/ET and all planes that only carry R-77s R-77-1s
Sounds good, right? All these newer missiles are “almost equal” to their predecessors after all.
Except post 0.22 build C5 IS an A/B AMRAAM. Rearranged engine, not better nor worse, same flight model, 120s guidance time instead 80s. Thats all.
This is for all intents and purposes 9G and 9H comparison. Or R60M to R60MK.
The devserver is WiP, the missile stats most likely aren’t final and even then the max range is increased similar to how the R-77-1 only really is a range upgrade for the R-77.
Yet you don’t see R-77-1s on the Su-27SM, Su-34 and J-11A.
Yes, but Gaijin already went out of their way to change C5 from state it was added year ago, where it could be deemed an actual improvement (improved HOBS, extra range due to severe loft) over A/B twins to turn that missile into A/B/C triplets.
It is case of nerfhammering R-77-1 to match it to R-77 then giving that “new” missile for 29SMT, 27SM, Su34 and whatnot.
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Again, the missile on the devserver isn’t necessarily finalized, but even if it is, it still has more range than the A/B.
As it therefore is an improvement over the A/B it should not be added to the lower BR ARH carriers, just like how the R-77-1 has not been added to the lower BR redfor ARH carriers.
If it only ends up with a little extra range then given the F3 has very poor performance at altitude it would help equalise it with airframes like the F15C partially at 13.7
Though not all should get it only a few could get it.
But I hope it will actually be a C5. Not a B+
Only reason it has “more range” is due to longer guidance time, not missile itself having actually improved flight model, unlike R-77-1.
To capitalize that “extra range” provided by 40s longer guidance time you need godlike launch conditions and by that I mean mach 2 at 10km+. And with such conditions, A/B twins already outrange tracking capability of F-15E/I or Eurofighters, let alone “C5”.
With worse launch conditions, lets say mach 1 at the deck, you gain nothing as both missiles falls out of the sky before their guidance time is up.
The F.3 is 13.0 because of its performance and it is fine at that BR without getting better missiles.
If you give the F.3 C-5s people will argue that other planes below 14.0 should get them as well, resulting in even more compression for the 12.0-13.0 bracket.
Yes and No.
If BOL get fixed and it recieves its Phimat pod. (2 changes that need to happen regardless) It would then move back up to13.3. Moving then to 13.7 with full strength C5s I think could be reasonable.
That hasnt worked for getting anyting else R-77-1s.
So I dont see why it would with C5s
The C5 has an engine upgrade. The rocket motor burns longer and provides more energy than the motor and sustainer of the A/B combined.
The R-77-1 doesn’t have an improved flight model either, just better propulsion.
It is suppose to, but I dont think it does currently on the dev server (but dont quote me on that)
The F.3 late should stay as it is and remain at 13.0.
You can have a separate F.3 with those improvements at a higher BR.
It does
No… Fixing BOL would fix everything with BOL It wont be selective. That alone probably would push it back to 13.3.
Phimat pods for the F3 and F3 Late should also just come without fight and I think the devs have already said yes. Just not when.
(Also from an SB perspective, its already 13.3)
C5s could come on an F3 Late late. But would need to be combined with TRD and ASRAAMs to be worthwhile grinding a third airframe
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Is it really an “upgrade” when engine produces less than 5% extra energy/delta v? And no, supposed “reduced air drag” is yet to manifest itself as B and C5 are flying in lockstep whenever I test them.
R-77-1 in comparison has 18% increase in thust.