Crotale Series 3000 P4R - The grandfather of the Finnish ItO 90M

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Crotale Series 3000 P4R

History:

Note: this suggestion is for the Crotale firing unit since it can work perfectly by itself as explained in this post, acquisition unit is not suggested.

The Crotale system was born in 1964 as part of a collaboration between France and South Africa to develop a low-altitude surface-to-air missile system, with South Africa paying 85% of the development while France only 15%. After a few years, the system was It ended successfully and in 1971 some of these vehicles were sent to South Africa and called “Cactus”; France would also order these systems for itself as well during 1971. The Crotale system is mounted on a P4R (4x4) vehicle although it can also be ground mounted for fixed fenders. This system over the years developed different improved versions ranging from the 1000 series of 1969, 2000 of 1973, 3000 of 1975, 4000 of 1983 to the 5000 series of 1985, each one better than the previous one.

Details of the Crotale system

This system is made up of 2 vehicles, Both vehicles have an all-welded steel hull with the driver at the front, electronics and operator in the center and the thermal motor at the rear. The first vehicle is for acquisition where its main function is surveillance, identification and designation, in summary it helps to identify possible threats to a greater range and provide more information to the firing units, the second vehicle is the firing vehicle and the most important since the 4 Crotale R440 missiles are mounted on it, this vehicle has a computer is used to generate accurate data for confirmation of threat evaluation. Once the target has been detected the computer triggers the IFF interrogator and the final threat information is displayed. This computer is the same as in the acquisition unit, so it can fulfill this function by itself without depending on the acquisition unit.

Chilean crew of the Crotale System

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The firing unit has a J-band monopulse 17 km range single target tracking radar mounted concentrically with the launcher turret, which carries four ready to launch missiles, two each side. The system also has an l-band 10° antenna beamwidth command transmitter, infra-red gathering system with a 5° wide field-of-view, an integrated TV tracking mode as a low elevation backup, an optical designation tripod-mounted binocular device (which is controlled manually by a handlebar arrangement and used primarily in a heavy ECM environment or whenever passive operation is required), operating console and a digital data link. All the vehicles are fitted with an inter-vehicle link network to transmit data and orders by cable and for radio communication by a VHF radio-link.

The radar can track one target and guide two missiles simultaneously. The missiles, fired 2.5 seconds apart, are acquired immediately after launch by the 1.1° tracking beam of the radar with the help of infra-red detection and radar transponders during the gathering phase. There is also an optronic system. Guidance signals are transmitted to the missiles by radio. No spare missiles are carried on the vehicle and fresh missiles are brought up by a truck and loaded with a light crane.

Service in Chile

The history of the Crotale system in Chile stems from the country’s need to have a modern and powerful anti-aircraft system which was non-existent in the Chilean air force at the beginning of the 70s, which began to be of great concern for the South American country since that the tensions with its neighboring country of Argentina were getting closer to becoming something really worrying due to the Beagle conflict (dispute over 3 islands in the extreme south of Chile) that would reach its maximum tension as a result of the British arbitral award that would declare that these islands belong to Chile, for which reason Argentina would declare the judgment invalid, in this way and with great urgency the Chilean air force began negotiations in France for the purchase of the Crotale system in 1978, which would arrive in Chile a few years later when the The conflict with Argentina was at critical levels, this purchase would be known in Chile as the Jerjel Project and the purchase was finally made up of two acquisition units and four firing units that were destined for the Chabunco air base, Punta Arenas in southern Chile. Fortunately, the conflict between Chile and Argentina would be resolved thanks to the mediation of Pope John Paul II with said countries signing the Peace and Friendship Treaty in 1984. This missile system would operate in Chile for a few more years until the early 1990s when they were replaced by the Peugeot P4 Aspic missile system with mistral missiles.

Crotale system crew 1988

Specifications:

  • Crew:
    • 2 (gunner and driver)
  • Armament:
    • Primary: x4 R440 Crotale missiles
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Seems fun, though the low ammo count would be a bit of a pain. +1

Britain should definitely get this via South Africa. Would be nice for France to get one too, if justifiable

Gaijin really needs to make towed vehicles function in this game. It would open up so many possibilities

It’s look bad ass.
How do you manage in game, two vehicles in same time?
Because you must have the vehicle with the surveillance RADAR and an many other vehicles with the only 4 missiles each one and a tracking RADAR. If you use only the second one you lose 80% of the interest of this AA system.

As I explained in the suggestion, the acquisition vehicle that only has the radar has an acquisition function, for example, imagine that you have 4 launch vehicles and one with only the radar, the one with only the radar would tell each one of the other shooting vehicles what target to shoot at in case there are multiple planes, the shooting vehicle alone can do the same function since it also has its own radar and has the same systems as the other vehicle, in summary , the shooting vehicle works perfectly by itself, the only bad thing is that it only has 4 missiles, but they are incredibly good

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France operated the exact same system for protection of their own airfields so they probably even have a stronger claim than Britain to get it lol.

So did the SAAF

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There was never any question about that

You all need some Crotale history

Sorry about the format, it is a digitalized version of the book, nothing i can do about it

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Like as I said, if you don’t use the link with the vehicle with survaillance RADAR you lose 80% of the interest of this thing.
In addition, I’m not sure it able to fire without be linked with the PC vehicle.

Plus, this vehicle is not very able to go out side of the road. It can move only on plane surface, so it’s hard to scoot with it.

It can, it just lack designation to the target, it has to find and aquire it using its own optics and radar.

It sure can go off road. Not sure what would be stopping it. If you mean ground clearance, it has hydropneumatic suspension, so it can adjust it as needed.
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And if you worry about propulsion, Petrolelectric system was strong enough to carry it around.

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Yes you can scan the sky with google. But I say it again, it waste 80% of the intrest of this system. Besause it design to perform with full batery, not only the fire unit.

Of course it a game, every thing is possible. But be sure I really like the Crotale, but integrated in game to be playable it will not be really a Crotale anymore.

And thank you for sharing photos of the beast on tarmak and smooth plane grass.

Title feels off. Maybe if the Ito was in french service or if the chassis was french it would make sense but it feels weird maybe its just me lol.

Sorry i have not traveled back in time and convinced one of the person taking pictures to take one on rough terrain. I cant influence where the picutres were taken. I showed you that clearence can be adjusted.

While ITO is not in service, Crotale NG is
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I get that bit specifically calling the ITO feels weird. The only connection it has it that its on the french tree because the turret is french. The testing was not done in france when the turret was placed on the chassis. I just feel the title wouldve made more sense if it just mentioned the Crotale lol

The title makes sense, as ITO weaponry is Crotale NG system. I guess op wanted to reference system we have in game.

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Just would’ve made more sense to say the crotale and not a finnish chassis imo

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Taking into account that the ItO 90M uses the Crotale system, the title makes sense, since the Finnish vehicle was later derived from this system, don’t get your head too hot thinking about it.

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