Cromwell Mk. VwD - Welded Hull, Tougher Front

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Mk Vw BESAs 16-9
T121742W ‘Slaphappy’ commanded by Lt. G. Boak, Troop Leader of 3rd Troop, C Squadron, 1st RTR, 7th Armoured Division letting off both BESAs for the camera.

History
Constructing tanks using riveting required building a sub-frame onto which the armour then had to be riveted which in turn increased the overall weight and reduced the maximum possible armour thicknesses without overloading the running gear and drivetrain. It also increased the production time and made waterproofing the tanks for deep wading a much more time consuming process.

Welding, on the other hand, negated all of these problems and a welded version of the Cromwell had been proposed very early on in its life-cycle. The first welded one, known as ‘Pilot D’, was built by Birmingham Railway Carriage & Wagon Company Ltd. It had a welded turret reminiscent of the Churchill III’s, wider 15.5-inch tracks, and large canister spring suspension allowing the weight limit to be increased to 28 tons. Difficulty with welding the double front plates meant that the next two vehicles built had single thickness front plates as well as a new single-piece driver’s hatch taken from the A33. These two hulls were sent to Vauxhall Motors.

Pilot D was later fitted with applique plates and testing showed that the armour could withstand hits from a 6pdr fairly well while not having any significant negative effects on the tank’s overall performance. Two different proposed versions stemmed from this but neither were built and BRCW instead modified their Vauxhall hull with Pilot D’s style of applique armour but retained the dual-layer, bolted turret design as used on the normal Cromwells. All 123 (split between Mk. Vw and Mk. VIIw) of their welded Cromwells followed this basic formula. These tanks had the suffix ‘W’ at the end of their War Department numbers to signify their welded construction which were in the range of T121701-121822 except for the single VwE built by English Electric which was T255310.

As such, the Cromwell Mk. Vw was built with 14-inch tracks, large canister spring suspension, the single piece A33-style driver’s hatch (which incorporated one of his periscopes), and, most importantly, 1-inch (25.4mm) applique plates on the lower hull nose and turret front, and 1.5-inch (38.1mm) plates on the upper hull. Most, if not all, also had the All-Round Vision cupola for the commander.

Unlike the Mk. V, Mk. Vws were built on either the Type D or Type E hull. To quickly clear any confusion, the tanks were known as Mk. VwD or Mk. VwE but the welded versions of the two hulls were individually known as Dw and Ew.

Aside from the previously mentioned features of the welded tanks, the welded hulls were effectively the same as their riveted forebears but the Dw replaced the dual-layer floor with a single 10mm piece while the Ew had low-speed final drives and a single 14mm thick floor. Visually differentiating the Dw and Ew is virtually impossible and so determining a tank’s hull type relies on the War Department number and builder’s plate. As such the photos included here could be of either hull type.

IWM (HU 99799)
Czech Cromwell tank crews of the 1st (Czech) Independent Armoured Brigade during the siege of Dunkirk, spring 1945. The name ‘Corsair’ has been painted on the turret of the left-hand tank. - IWM (HU 99799)

In-service
With such a small number of Mk. Vws being built they don’t often appear in photographs or film even though they saw service from D-Day through to the end of the war. As the Armoured Regiments of 22nd Armoured Brigade (7th Armoured Division) and the Czechoslovak Independent Armoured Brigade were the only ones to fight ‘normally’* with Cromwells in their fighting Squadrons, they seem to have been the main recipients of the welded tanks.

For example, research by Daniel Taylor shows that, as of May 1944, 1st Royal Tank Regiment had eight Mk. Vws with a few of them belonging to the Troop Leaders. These were:

  • T121740W ‘Astrid’ - 3Tp, A Squadron
  • T121742W ‘Slaphappy’ - 3Tp, C Squadron
  • T121743W ‘Fuka Walal’ - 2Tp, C Squadron
  • T121745W ‘Fair Maid o’ Perth’ - 2Tp, B Squadron
  • T121746W ‘Andrea’ - 4Tp, A Squadron
  • T121747W ‘Cor Wullie’ - 1Tp, B Squadron
  • T121748W - 1Tp, C Squadron
  • T121750W ‘Lady Godiva’ - 2Tp, B Squadron

*11th, Guards, and 1st Polish Armoured Divisions only had Cromwells in their Recce Regiments outside of Divisional HQ tanks. 8th KRIH, the Recce Regiment of 7th AD also had Cromwells.



Units serving with the 7th Armoured division follow up the German retreat beyond Aunay-sur-Odon. - IWM (A70 113-14) / T121747W ‘Cor Wullie’ - 1Tp, B Squadron, 1RTR

In-game
The reason I have chosen the Mk. VwD is that, because it doesn’t have the low-speed final drives, it’s theoretically capable of the same 40mph top speed that the Mk. I and Mk. V can achieve which would allow it to keep the main selling point of the Cromwell over the slower VwE. This combined with the applique plates mean it’s just a straight upgrade over the 3.3 Mk. V.

Because of the extra armour, it would fit in at 3.7 giving players a good choice against the Mk. I of whether they value more armour or a gun with better AP performance. It would probably be best if it were foldered with the other two Cromwells but placed after the Mk. I so that players aren’t forced to grind two 75mm tanks after the Crusaders before they can once again use a 6pdr.

Specifications
Crew - 5
Weight - In the range of 28.5 - 29t (guesstimate)
Length - 21’-4”
Width - 10’
Height - 7’-8”
Engine - Rolls-Royce Meteor 27L V12 (600hp)
Max speed - About 40mph (64 km/h)

Armament
OQF 75mm Mk. V - (Ammo: 64)
2x BESA 7.92mm MGs - (Ammo: 4950)
Max elevation/depression - +20/-12.5

Ammunition
Figures taken from War Thunder Wiki
Armor penetration (mm) at a distance:
10m / 100m / 500m / 1000m / 1500m / 2000m

M72 - AP: 91 / 88 / 78 / 67 / 57 / 49
M61 - APCBC: 103 / 100 / 89 / 77 / 66 / 57
M48 - HE
M89 - Smoke

Armour
Hull Front - 64mm
Upper Hull Nose - 30mm
Lower Hull Nose - 57mm

Hull Sides Upper - 44mm
Hull Sides Lower - 32mm+14mm
Hull Sides Rear Upper - 38mm+32mm
Hull Sides Rear Lower - 25.4mm+14mm

Hull Rear - 32-38mm
Hull Roof - 20mm
Engine Deck - 14mm

Turret Front - 64mm+12.7mm carbon manganese backing plate
Turret Sides - 51mm+12.7mm carbon manganese backing plate
Turret Rear - 44mm+12.7mm carbon manganese backing plate
Turret Roof - 20mm

Applique plates
Hull Front - 38.1mm
Lower Hull Nose - 25.4mm
Turret front - 25.4mm

Comparison of riveted and welded hull designs and plate thicknesses


Images
IWM (B 8378)
A Cromwell Mk V tank of 7th Armoured Division (probably 4CLY), firing on enemy positions with its co-axial BESA machine gun in support of infantry of 1/5th Queen’s Regiment during the advance towards Aunay-sur-Odon, Operation BLUECOAT, 31 July - 1 August 1944. - IWM (B 8378)

IWM (B 13706)
White-washed Cromwell tanks of 7th Armoured Division, 16 January 1945. - IWM (B 13706)

IWM (B 8345)
A Cromwell tank and infantry advance along a lane cleared of mines and marked with tape, near Le Beny Bocage, 1 August 1944. - IWM (B 8345)

IWM (B 8346)
Infantry and tanks move forward near Le Beny Bocage. - IWM (B 8346)

CIABG Vw 2

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8th KRIH, 7th Armoured Division - IWM (BU 2729) - Welded hull left of the central Challenger

Sources
British Battle Tanks: British-Made Tanks of World War II - David Fletcher
Cromwell Tank: Vehicle History and Specification - David Fletcher
Cromwell and Centaur Tanks British Army and Royal Marines North-West Europe 1944-1945 - Dennis Oliver

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wUWTjJq1so - Tank Chats #32 Cromwell | The Tank Museum
A27M Cruiser Mk.VIII Cromwell (1943)
Cromwell tank - Wikipedia

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+1 from me, would love me a more armoured cromwell. Would be a fine addition to my collection.

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Always down for another folder vehicle +1

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+1 for more cromwell

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A +1 from me! More Cromwells are always appreciated!

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Thanks all! I’ve also got a pending suggestion for the Mk. VI (the Close Support variant with the 95mm howitzer) which I think would be a good addition alongside the Centaur Mk. IV in their own folder.

I’ll be the first to admit I’m biased but I’d love to see more Cromwells (and Cruisers as a whole) added in.

Edit - now an approved suggestion

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Ooh, now the Mk VI would be super cool to have in-game ngl—Ditto with the Centaur.

Yeah, tbh, a lot of the Cruisers are long overdue for implementation glances over at the Covenanter and Cavalier

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Turns around to stare at the A9, A10 and Centaur

all welded on add on armor should be added
cant wait for 300mm armor jagpanther at 6.7
all tanks that get welded armor should have it it looks coool

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I’m a simple man, I see Cromwell - I vote yes.

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Love it. Need it.

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T121766W came ashore at King beach, Gold area, on the 7th of June and was in 3 Troop of A Squadron, 4th County of London Yeomanry, 22nd Armoured Brigade, 7th Armoured Division.

Not long after the fighting at Villers-Bocage and Point 213 kicked off, it and a few other Cromwells sought shelter in an orchard, just north of the RN175 road and about halfway between VB and 213. With no real way of breaking out and returning to the town, it’s believed that their crews set them alight themselves and made their way out on foot.

When the Germans arrived they looked through the stowage and took anything of use off the wrecks.

IWM (B 5251)
IWM (B 5251)

VB Mk Vw T121766 1

VB Mk Vw T121766 2

VB Mk Vw T121766 3

VB Mk Vw T121766 4

This one belonged to 2 Troop and was up at Point 213. It was attempting to find an escape route along a track that went north off of 213 but didn’t get very far before it was knocked out by a German tank that was covered by a bend further up the lane. The penetration of what was likely the first shot is visible between the driver’s viewport and the BESA. A second penetration can be seen on the front of the turret just under the gun. The driver was killed but the rest of the crew managed to bail out and run for cover.

VB Mk Vw 2-2

Not really a fan of the current British 75mm, it uses the same shell as the US 75mm but for some reason Gaijin just makes it solid shot instead of giving the proper M61 shell

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Unfortunately, I don’t think that’s gonna change anytime soon. I’m still holding out a little bit of hope that they’ll change it though.

While this is a VwE, it’s worth sharing in it’s own right as it’s a picture of T255310. As I mentioned in the post, this is the only one known to have been built by English Electric rather than BRCW.

It was in use with 1st Royal Tank Regiment, 7th Armoured Division.

IWM (B 8369)
A Cromwell Mk V tank advancing through Cantaloup near Caumont during Operation BLUECOAT, 31 July - 1 August 1944. Loyd carriers of 3rd Independent Machine Gun Company can be seen in the background. - IWM (B 8369)

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1st Royal Tank Regiment, 7th Armoured Division in Normandy.



M10s from 65th (Norfolk Yeomanry) Anti-Tank Regiment RA, and Cromwells and Fireflies belonging to the 5th Royal Tank Regiment moving through Lyons-la-Fôret. - A70 145-10

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