Well that’s lovely but what are all the 5.3s and 5.0s going to do… that’s only a problem if she finds herself on the receiving end of large calibre AP, which she won’t at 5.7… because half the 5.7 matches are 5.0-6.0 or 4.7-5.7.
15in guns, which land in different postcodes… and there’s only 4 of them
As it apparently wouldn’t matter at all to any of the 4.3s… yeah, let’s do that. I’ll have lots of fun blasting 4.3 destroyers out of the water with 8in SAP… wait, that’s a tad bit unfair.
Apparently the fact you can do precisely piss all to a Prinz Eugen in a 5.0/5.3 cruiser doesn’t matter, and you can do even less if you, god forbid, get full uptiered.
Minorities are small in general lol. But yeah thats how it works, BR system is not perfect by any means but it is not bad either.
Pointless flaming
5.0 and 5.3 cruisers are also cruisers you know… they are equipped enough to deal with eugen to some degree because well… they are lower BR
Ignoring other examples makes great counterargument. But I dont have much problems with gloruous anyway. Maps on 5.7 are small and within 8km range those salvos pack hell of a punch to cruisers.
Man it is almost like I started this by pointing the absolutely pointless comparisons in full uptiers…
The issue I’ve found dealing with Eugen in something like HMS London. Is if the Eugen is stupid enough to try and broadside you, then its an easy kill (if you have recently sacrificed a goat to the great snail in the sky and your rounds land where you aimed them)
But against a smartly played Eugen, they wont give you a shot oppotunity. Meanwhile many otehr heavy cruisers just melt from shell fire placed anywhere (I lost about 40% of my crew in the London in about 5-7 seconds of shell fire from a rapid firing US destroyer the other day), but Eugen can resist that same kind of damage fairly well in my experience. She should probably be higher than a lot of other 5.7 cruisers, especially the light cruisers.
But at its core. Its just a compression issue. Trying to balance all light and heavy cruisers with only 2 BR stops (for the most part) is never going to work
Tbh I dont see much difference between eugen and other cruisers on 5.7. Flat salvos midships drain crew fast on all ships and on angled surfaces damage is minimal. I did play southampton this week and didnt feel like it was particularly fragile.
In regards to BR decompression it can work properly only if there is enough ships to make meaningful lineups. More refits of already existing classes should be added for example.
Town-class cruiser I feel are a bit of an exception on the British TT. They are decently resistant to damage, Especially the refits Liverpool and Belfast.
Maybe. I think just moving all BBs and BCs up 1 full BR, giving you the 6.0-7.0 range to move a few dreadnoughts down a little if needed and move a few cruisers up a little. Is all that would be needed for a stop-gap decompress.
There should probably be a greater difference between something like Arethusa and Southampton than 1 stop and even more so between something like Arethusa and London. And thats just looking at one tree
Well we surely should see 7.3 any moment now.
That would result in some battleships moving up (like Malboro). But 1.0 BR hop is imo an overshot. We dont have ships to make that many lineups and battleships without cruisers AA cover would get constantly bombed. Also that makes 6.0 an effective top tier that only 3 nations would have access too… Cruisers, planes and battleships just cannot be balanced without hurting one side to some degree. Current implementation seems to work best imo
Nah Barham doesnt strike me as 7.3 material. Older armor layout, less penetration, rather slow. Hood is obvious 7.3 candidate but barham and renown seem to be ok for 7.0
But I need to play it first, maybe I will change my mind then:)
Oh btw, would you recommend switching renown for barham on 2nd best crew? I wasnt expecting for brits to get another event 7.0 lol
Only Brit tax I see is the amount of classes still locked as event only. BR wise? Hell nah. Invincible and Glorious are funny as hell donking on cruisers, Dread was almost 6.0 as well, Colossus might be the best 6.3, Malboro is the best 6.7, Hood is one of the best 7.0s. Im originally british main and I had good fun with all those battleships:)
Not sure why they’re 5.7 tbh, all of them could get a br reduction.
Ideally they would have added Kent with her additional 4.5" of armour, then she would actually warrant being 5.7 but they’ve gone ahead and added her now with no armour to speak of.
Same could be said of your initial comment. You know full well that there are limits to what ships should and should not see.
“to some degree”
I mean we’ll ignore how Morv has made the point that a perfectly reasonable 5.7 is unable to deal with a semi competent Prinz Eugen Captain at expected battle ranges, and its not as if you can do the same in return
Ignoring the fact ships get uptiers and downtiers would be an excellent argument.
Were it not for the fact that ships get… uptiers and downtiers.
It seems to me that part of the issue for the UK is lack of proper AP on the heavy cruisers. So your round detonates between the belt and the turtleback and therefore does not penetrate the turtleback.
Its a similar issue to the one with Scharnhorst where the turtleback causes a big issue, but to a lesser degree.
Even with proper AP they would still have poor reload, armour etc but then you could kill the main ships found at that br easier.
Pointless retorics again, what really trying to achieve here? Ships 1.0 higher are and should be far better than those lower, it is not news and it should not be a base of any BR change.
I think this might be an issue with 203mm SAP atm because I dont remember such problems before. Other guns work well on eugen.
I dont recall where it was said or what was said exactly. Nor do I know if its in place or not still. But I do remember something from a tech mod about British 8" shells having a bit of a nerf because they were overperforming but these days what was causing them to overperform has been fixed, but the nerf is still in place, so they are underperforming. Or something to that affect.
I think I would like to see a review of British 8" shells (and maybe 6" as well, make sure SAP is okay after the shrapnel changes). A deep dive into them to make sure they are all working correctly and to IRL levels. In perticular the HE. I feel like 6x 6" HE from a forward salvo from Belfast will do WAY more damage to a destroyer than a full broadside of 8x 8" HE from something like London. Might just be me imaging it. But something just doesnt feel quite… right.