It’s just 120mm pile of junk, it somehow shatters more, non-pen and deals less post-pen damage than the 105
inb4 British suffers. Please, slap a 105mm on it and still it will perform much better than the 120mm L1G
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The crazy thing it’s that the penetrator itself is weighing 6.37KG, it’s a huge chunk of metal and it does next to no spalling.
I can live with the shatters cause when you play with it enough you learn what will work and not but the post-pen is horrendous lol.
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Yup…
APHE is overperforming loads but the community voted against fixing it
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APDS is underperforming loads and the communtiy doesnt care because its basically only Britain affected
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When they increased the penetration value from ~380 to 502 they did something to the postpen. It used to be a rather reliable round, better than the centurions. Now its FAR less postpen for a much bigger round. And yeah, the shell shatter is horrific. Even shattering, a round that large should be punching through light tank armor. That it disapears is laughable.
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Even a direct hit can be survived lmfao.
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I couldn’t care less if they moved the Conqueror to 8.0 after fixing the main cannon, at least make it perform close to the one on the Chieftains, currently they are like night and day differences.
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APDS and to a bigger extent APCR and HVAP are all complete underperforming junk while APHE overperforms and the vote to rework it to not be as OP got shot down.
its not a britain only sufferance, just most notable in the British tree.
the L7 105mm is a newer shell however the vastly higher performance of the 105mm APDS shouldn’t be like this at all. they realistically should go through close to the same things in the same way, the conqueror was retired because of how close the 105mm was to being as good as the 120 while being far smaller.
TLDR the conqueror and other early APDS and sub calibre projectile vehicles are unfairly held back compared to the rest of the crowd and suffers from mechanics that shouldn’t be limited to only them
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the Conqueror isnt meant to be fully stabilised so it more than likely ought to be kept where it is
The 105s is actually good, the 84 ones are absolutely dogwater and somehow the 120 also feel equally dog, they shatter a lot, bounce a lot and post-pen damage are often some of the lowest I’ve ever seen lol its like throwing one needle at the crews and watch them turn yellow and then orange one by one, Chieftains based on my experience has the best performing APDS, I wouldn’t mind if the Conquerer’s one are worse off slightly, not this huge differences please.
Ive found the 120mm conq is as consistently inconsistent as the 20pdr gun (however is much more punishing from a slow reload and not much better armour)
17pdr is a bit more consistent but its accuracy problems are made more extreme than they ought to be
105mm is amazing to use in comparison but has the generic random “non penetrations” on the flat armour of a BMP that all APDS has
Chieftain is a gift from the gods themselves in comparison because it is fairly consistent in penetrations and quite often actually introduces this obscure mechanic called “spalling”. seems to be a pretty nice mechanic I wish it was present more often
the one thing with war thunder is that everything is consistently inconsistent. and the (possibly intentional) bad modelling of certain projectiles only makes the worse side of inconsistency more consistent.
At least its not as bad as HESH.
apds underperforming is by design. Gaijin nerfed most shell types, and APHE was next on the chopping block. People just had enough of it.
and then they caved and didnt nerf the APHE, so now they should instead buff APDS back up
Either that or lower the BR of everything with only APDS and move everything with APHE up
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yes they should but they won’t. What will happen to frustration then?
APHE also has its fair share of weaknesses where it doesn’t fuze on light armor
Note that three shots from 122mm, having one of the highest explosive filler known to mankind, fails to kill phz2000, the second shot does set off the fuze because it hit the breech, but somehow two turret crews managed to survived lol
Still, not as frustrating when compared to trying to kill anything with the Conqueror’s 120mm lol
All I know is that i’ve once been one shotted by APHE hitting my track, meanwhile i’ve put APDS through an ammo rack and only gotten a “hit” before.
Suffice to say, I do not play the APDS BRs in Britain anymore, the lowest I go is the Cheiftain Mk10
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These glitches actually occur with all types of bullets across all nations, not just the UK. These glitches become very common when using Full AP, APCR, APDS, and HEAT bullets. These glitches are less common with APDS-FS and very rare with APHE (interestingly, this glitch occurs less frequently with more OP bullets).
The main problem with the Conqueror is its long reload time, which, coupled with the fact that it uses a bullet that misfires a lot and uses the most underperforming and useless bullet in the game (HESH), makes the Conqueror gameplay experience quite unpleasant.
Then, if we talk about the damage model and the damage caused by bullets, I can only say that it is possibly the biggest mistake the game has ever had, and unfortunately, it seems that the developers are proud of the shitty work they did.
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Maus round shattering on Object 906 side shots is just plain crazy as well
the maus fires APCBCHE, not APDS. it can’t shell shatter. While the 310 pen round is a sabot, its an 88mm APHE sabot loaded into a 128mm shell and acts like APHE.
Yup. Infuriating how garbage it is. Same goes for APCR and APDS as a whole.
The APHE fix to make it more realistic should’ve been implemented regardless. Bloody IvanBoos botched it for all of us.
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Yeah, I never use the Conqueror when I get uptiered, which is almost all the time.
It’s slow, the gun cant pen, and even the thick turret armor can’t protect it from enemies at 8.0 and up.
On a side note, why the heck is the Fox (which also uses APDS) bumped to 7.7 in arcade? It barely performed at 7.3