it sure does look like so, so best believe that it will be an Israel 2.0 that starts with rank 4 or 5 and focuses on local modernizatios of foreigns. Tho knowing how Gaijin does work, it prolly will have clones up until K1 and Chonma-Ho… But i want to believe :3
K2 and this ariette-looking abomination
Agree, there’s some far more unique options for tech trees, with much more unique stuff. Hell, even India would be more unique. But at the end of the day they’ll do what they want, and people won’t complain because they’ll be too glad to have a new tree
okay! so then no vt4 for the thai.
if abram’s gets cancelled because of you and everyone else crying then you’re no better than the chinese that you complained about.
So… then its only fair?
Anyway, why should Taiwan get abrams? SO china mains wouldnt need to grind US to play on it?
I mean, we already made the German tree obsolete. Why do you people wish so much to get US and USSR obsolete too?
i dont get it. People went to play Realistic battles, where sides werent mixed up and you played against certain techs and it was badass, and now this newbies want to make arcade mixup everywhere :/
so that the top tier lineup isn’t as ass?
every chinese mbt is heavily gimped in almost every aspect, at least the abram’s would bring a bit of armor and pen to the lineup
quite rude there honestly.
but it been mixed up for a quite long time, why stop when it’s chinas turn all of a sudden
VT-4 has more armor than Abrams, and ZTZ-99A has as much.
Because they operate It? And because It maybe would improve the overall lineup
Same reasons why they got the F16MLU and the mirage 2000
The US would still have Better Abrams versions in the future no?
How Is It obsolete?
i’ve only ever really survived the first shot, then i insta penned wherever my ERA isn’t
So maybe add chinese tanks?
Because last time i checked Abrams was also considered ass and US winrate was plummeting.
still better than t-90m
i ment no disrespect, just a straight fact
it was not honestlly. Maybe two or three last years of adding subtrees, especially when they started adding air. Ground subtree for brits was awesome, for italy it was so-so as at very least half vehicles were unique, and for sweden and france they are awfull. Honestly awfull as bring ONLY clones, and maybe a single unique and single upgraded machine…
I’ve successfully ragebated someone at last
Okay. Add a custom Taiwan camo for the abrams they operate? Add the event Abrams to the US as country-producer as Chinese ppl got with VT-4?
im not exactly a plane guy, and jets already became a clone wars at least from a tanks guy view. ANd thats REALLY upsetting.
Its not about better or not, its about uniquiness of the machine. Pretty much if you played the M1 and and M1HC you played on all abramses. And adding one to Taiwan that is pretty much M1A1 is making US tree obsolete
You can play Panzer 3/4, Tiger, Panther, Leo 1, Leo 2 (pretty much all of them) in other trees. Other than that, you left with either cacti on ranks 5 and 6 or the rank 4 and lower vehicles, making pretty much HALF of the grind of a tree useless as you can obtain those or better versions of the tanks in other trees.
Weakspots exist on all tanks.
Where there are no weakspots however…
Granted, according to some, ZTZ-99A is more armored than Abrams because ZTZ-99A has an UFP that can bounce rounds sometimes.
as of my own knowledge realistically the only things left for chinese mbt’s (at least currently) is 99a with gl-6
abram’s is a very competent platform imo, just the players who use it are ass
i would still consider 90m to be slightly better as you can sit back and snipe because of low pen and bad depression so you’re forced to be a brawler, where 90m shines.
tbf it’s meant to fill holes in lineups that the main nation just can’t fill.
although japan i can say without a doubt the thai air subtree is an awful replacement for the r2y2’s cas
so as the ZTZ99s then
i didnt understand the message: is 90m better because can snipe? or is it good because can brawl?
so, it does pretty much not fill the gaps in lineups, rather it creates new lineups that consist of 1 or 2 tanks.
For example:
5.3 of sweden consists of straight up two finnish tanks, 4.0 adds single t-34 and 3.7 consisted of a SINGLE finnish tank before M24DK was added so subtree didnt fill the gap. Swedish 8.0 easilly exists without t-54, as mush as 12.0 without 2a6; 10.7 still consists of TWO leopard 2a4s (wow, unique gameplay here tho, two same leopards huh). The only gaps it fills is 9.3 which practitcally better be ignored and 9.0 which is really needed there.
Same with french subtree that makes 10.7 have a SINGLE tank, and adds two leopards at 12.0 where there are 4 Leclercs.
And all of the techs at those ratings at subtrees are clones. And most funny part is, the only DIFFERENT machine at sweden subtree - the T-55M - really does fill the gap, where clones dont except for t-34 maybe.
yeah, because they dont add machines at R2Y2s
Tho the Alpha Jets and the F-5s are great CAS.
mb. should’ve made it more clear, meant the 90m is extremely good at brawling because of how much era it has everywhere.
forced to use the stinky f-84 (same as chinas with the TWO f-84) which i dislike using
Wasn’t there recently evidence the R2Y2 V1 had some construction complete? Imo they should’ve at least kept that. Without copy paste, I’m pretty sure the only other options are a kikka prototype that was solely ground attack and the Ki-201, but it nether flew so it depends how gajin feels (RIP F-111K and Re.2006)
Gaijin adding J-15 on 13.3 (ctrl c + ctrl v) su-33 cause it’s easier
By that Logic, all the export versions of vehicles such as the F18, F16 etc found in other trees should Just be removed and instead Just add custom skins to the american version
All the export variants of vehicles which in a lot of cases can actually improve certain line ups should Just be removed and given back to the mafufacturer’s nation via special skins!
This would make sense if the VT4 in the chinese tree had Thailand markings or camos, but afaik this Is not the case.
And if they added It as an event vehicles for the US, you would Just waste your time for a vehicles that you already have in the tech tree, Just with with a different Paint scheme and a T at the end of it’s name.
Making It an event vehicle would make sense if either there wasn’t a ROC line already in game, or if the differences between whichever Abrams variant were large enough to justify It being achievable only through an event (like F14A - F14 IRIAF)
Meh, besides the ever increasing amount of c&p hornets, pretty much anything else differs quiet largely in at least some capacity
And where Is the uniquness in the m1A2T?
M1A2T going to the ROC line would offer a diverse gameplay experience, and potentially improve the lineup as well by fixing some of the shortcomings of PRC mbts
There Is no uniquness in the M1A2T going to the USA tree
Isn’t M1A2 sep V3 a thing? A Better armored Abrams with an APS system? Granted it’s not in the game yet but still
Half of those vehicles you mentioned can be found in other tech trees only via premiums or event vehicles
By that Logic, the US and USSR tree are already useless too.
no way that thing with PL-12 is gonna be 13.3, it may look like Su-33 copypaste on the outside but it has a lot of stuff going inside it, even better than Su-33 itself, or it ever could dream of with upgrades
actually could even be 14.0
Isn’t the M1A2T a unique variant aswell? I know it had small changes but I don’t believe it’s identical to the other M1A2s
