Name checks out. I’m happy about the Stingray but yeah LAV-25 is overdue
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Because there already are way too many vehicles with Bushmasters in the game
there really isn’t, and why should that even matter? there’s tons of BMPs with 2A42s and 2A72s so your point doesn’t hold
Not counting SPAA
15 (3x 25mm, 9x 30mm, 3x 35mm) Bushmaster vehicles
3 MK 30-2/ABM vehicles
3 RARDEN vehicles
4 Rh202 light vehicles
4 Oerlikon KBA vehicles
5 2A72 vehicles
3 2A42 vehicles
7 vehicles with similar 20-35mm autocannons
and 5 vehicles with autocannons that are 40mm-57mm
So, compared to those “tons” of 2A42s and 2A72s there really is no shortage of Bushmasters and Bushmaster-like guns, especially if we were to include SPAAs since people love using those as tank destroyers.
Japan lacking an actual light tank is the main reason why the Stingray is being added anyways, the US players should be glad that they are getting it at all.
So they’re being copy-pasted into both trees? That’s quite unfortunate. I’d’ve hoped for a different variant for the US- the Stingray AGS, Stingray II, or the Stingray turret on the M551 or one of the other hulls it was mounted to.
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Yeah, the US definitely should be getting a different Stingray instead, but it just is way too convenient to copy-paste the Commando Stingray
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The KF41 has at least a few upgrades over the PUMA VJTW:
Higher top speed in forward and reverse
Higher HP/tonne
Higher belt capacity
Faster traverse and elevation rates
Hard-kill APS
.50 cal
Is it worth it? I dunno. But it’s not “worse in every way”
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exactly, 3x25, that’s fine, I don’t care about the stingray, I wouldn’t care if we didn’t get it
The question is, would they add it with the Hard-Kill APS? Just considering that it’s only found on the variant built exclusively for Hungary and not the original prototype (which is likely what they’d add to Germany)
You’re kinda picking these pros way out of context.
The difference in mobility is marginal (1hp/t, 5km/h forwards and 2km/h reverse).
The Puma has smaller belts, but more total ammunition.
The hardkill APS is a total joke. It never works, and even if it does destroy a missile, you still get the HEAT jet that only has to go through 20-40mm of RHA. It has also bugged out where if someone shoots it with small caliber MG, it kills you. Not only that, but it has a habit of catching on fire. You can’t put it out manually, so sometimes it just cooks you alive.
Survivability is also a total joke. Reiterating that you only have RHA, so any autocannon will easily shred you to pieces. The turret is crewed and the crew inside sits so close together that any penetration is almost a guaranteed kill. There is even a weakspot under the gun where you can be killed frontally by a .50 cal.
Compared to the PUMA that gets a crewless turret, tons of ERA, NERA and slat armour that can at the very least withstand autocannons from a significant amount of angles.
Playing the KF-41 is pretty miserable.
I’ll just leave it at that
For me its not about the vehicle performance, or even the KF41 itself, but about creating a precedent
Mainly in anticipation for KF51, and generally other vehicle in similar situation, where KF51 right now only ordered by Italy and Hungary(cmiiw) and not Germany, with current rule there’s high probability that when gaijin added KF51 Germany will not get it, but with how stingray is added to the US at the same time with Thailand, if we can use that rule to also get KF41 we can use this as precedent for Germany to get KF51 at the same time when Italy get their and Hungary KF51
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In that, i can agree with.
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I think the precedent should be that the company owned demonstrator goes to the nation the country is from, while nation specific variants go to the nation that actually used them.
In the Stingray case, the initial (pre-Thai Stingray) demonstrator or any Stingray derivative made for or offered to the USA can be added to the US tree, but the Thai variant should not.
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the XM8 made more sense to be a tech tree vehicle then the stingray For USA as it was tried by the us army and was very edge of being a production vehicle but got canceled and sadly got made an event vic. The stingray makes more sense as a prem or at the very least event Vic as it was private venture from a us company. There was a version of the CC stingray that was tested by the us army but it used the LAV-105 turret
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Glad to see how many people here are unhappy with the US getting the Commando Stingray when they should have gotten one of the many Stingray prototypes instead.
Really hope this means that other such cases will get a similar treatment in the future (e.g. Lynx and KF51 Panther for Germany; T14, T18, Scorpion 90 and FV120 for Britain; T17 (Staghound) for the US)