I found a video of this variant; the turret reminds me of the French AML-90’s, but it’s different. It’s not the Brazilian turret either, it might be a Chilean one.
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As a side note, the source also allegedly depicts a PT-76 fitted with a Cockerill Mk. III gun.
Source:
CMI (Cockerill) brochure
CMI Defence. (2000). Cockerill Mk3/CSE 90 mm weapon system [Brochure]. Internet Archive. https://web.archive.org/web/20070331063456/http://cmigroupe-web.com.acelis.net/files/files/defence/cse90.pdf
CMI Defence included the PT-76 among the vehicles covered by its Weapon Systems Modernisation Programmes . The programme presented a range of potential upgrades intended to improve the performance of existing weapon systems.
For the PT-76 specifically, the brochure lists general turret reconditioning , replacement sights , direct day and optional thermal sights , I² night vision , a laser rangefinder , and, most notably, the replacement of the existing gun with a Cockerill Mk3 gun .
The table also indicates that CMI offered this gun replacement for the PT-76 alongside a similar upgrade for the Alvis Scorpion. The brochure does not, however, provide further details on the exact PT-76 configuration, ammunition, or whether a Cockerill Mk3-equipped PT-76 was actually produced.
Source: CMI Defence. (n.d.). Cockerill Mk3/CSE 90 mm weapon system / Cockerill Mk8/LCTS 90 mm weapon system [Brochure]. Internet Archive. https://web.archive.org/web/20070331184023/http://cmigroupe-web.com.acelis.net/files/files/defence/lcts90.pdf
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Indonesian? This is a proposal for the Portuguese Army, I believe in 2007.
Correct, but this vehicle was later also used for the Indonesian army trials, where it succeeded and was subsequently made into the
This exact prototype from 2007, with the CT-CV turret, saw trials in Indonesia? Did Cockerill just have it in storage the whole time or something? And there are no photos of these trials?
that vehicle’s gun barrel is just a mockup
We dont have a lot of info about it but I’ve also surmised from observation about it here:
No, I mean that Indonesia (Pindad) ultimately worked further on that vehicle. The hull was returned to Belgium and later used in the Pandur II 3030 trials with the laser guided rockets, while the turret was used on patria chassis in Finland and Poland.
Yes, there are vehicles in this list that have a mockup gun/turret, like some of the Turkish vehicles too. They could be counted as partial prototypes or (ongoing) projects.
With CT-CV turret though? It seems misleading to label it as an Indonesian Army vehicle even if Pindad did “work on it” at some point because that ignores the originally intended recipient many years prior.
I can remove that label and I’ll just add a small info block under it, but I’ve mostly left context like that out because of the character limit on a single thread/post.
Historical note: This Pandur II FSV fitted with the CT-CV 105HP turret was originally developed as a 2007 proposal for the Portuguese Army, rather than as an Indonesian Army vehicle. The vehicle was later associated with Pindad/Indonesia , which continued work on the design to the Pandur II FSV (Cockerill 3105). The original hull was subsequently returned to Belgium and was later used in trials of the Pandur II 3030, while the CT-CV turret was separately used on other chassis for trials in Finland and Poland.
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Just was confused on why you were calling it Indonesian when there are no photos of it in Indonesian service, testing or otherwise.
I just learned that a couple years ago the Dutch did a feasability study for the Boxer to get a large Calibre gun using the XC-8 turret on a Boxer:
The Dutch Army assessed a Boxer variant armed with a large-calibre gun as unfeasible due to its total weight and the restrictions imposed by rail transport and heavy-equipment transporters. Furthermore, its passive protection would fall below an acceptable level, even before accounting for the additional weight of missile systems and active protection systems. The assessment concluded that a Boxer armed with a 120 mm gun could never be the equivalent of a Leopard 2 main battle tank.This highlights the fundamental limitations of the concept: mounting a 120 mm gun on a Boxer does not make it a viable MBT replacement. Weight, protection, transportability and survivability remain critical constraints, regardless of the firepower such a vehicle could deliver.
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I hope this is the right thread, but VBCI mark 2 with cockerill turret, with potentially up to 490 (389 + 100) for qatar https://www.latribune.fr/article/defense-aerospatiale/defense/33794193447096/knds-france-et-john-cockerill-le-retour-miraculeux-du-vehicule-blinde-vbci-au-qatar
Pretty sure that LOI was from 2-3 years back and that the deal fell through
Qatar started taking deliveries of Boxers in 2025 and it doesn’t make sense to field both
This is new information from today, and with how much France helped in middle east this is normal, as far as i know boxer deal never was fully confirmed.
Best source was twitter source from someone that has interest in KNDS Germany and not a proper article.
Boxer delivery here: Germany Delivers First Boxer IFVs to Qatar as Ukraine's PzH 2000 Exchange Begins | Defense Express
Letter regarding Qatar ordering 490 VBCI from 2017 : https://www.deagel.com/news/n000017251
Yes, it should be it, it’s the recent VBCI that was shown.
There was a 3030 version back then. Is this version a new model specifically made for Qatar?
Most likely, there isn’t much country looking at VBCI, for Greece it is with CTA40.
It would have been a cool vehicle, although it’s entirely understandable why the concept wasn’t feasible. It seems the Netherlands really wanted a tank equivalent without actually buying a tank, trying to turn a vehicle into something that could never truly fulfil the same role as a tank.
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