I think thats accurate, yeah.
With the added note that the churchill IV through VI LT would probably not have applique armore added. For whatever reason they did not make cast applique armor for those tanks, so only the flat faced churchill III would get applique armor on the turret.
Found Ed Francis’s archive photo. This is a Mk. IX LT. It was definitely prototyped, but never fully produced.
As someone who has a black prince, no. This would get dropped with it and both are way too slow to even make use of APDS(which is also very inaccurate requiring it to get even closer) even with now being in slightly better BR. And often if you get into ideal range you die due to your barrel being destroyed because of how low HP it has tho thats more of a black prince issue.
If anything it needs a BR nerf due to needing half a match to get to the front and thats if you spawn at start xD
I don’t see an APDS 6-Pdr Churchill being higher than 4.3 or 4.7 at the highest. Something like this:
Churchill Mk. III is a mess and needs to be split into 2 vehicles. The vehicle model is armed with a 6-Pdr Mk. III but the in-game performance is that of the 6-Pdr Mk. V. It’d also be nice if they added a “Late” version. So it should look something like this:
3.7:
- Churchill Mk. III (L/43): Add M86 APHE, would have worse performance than the US version due to less shell velocity thanks to the shorter barrel.
4.0:
- Churchill Mk. III (L/50): Add M86 APHE, same performance as the US version, and APCR Shot Mk. I.
4.3 (new vehicle):
- Churchill Mk. III Late: Has the turret and hull applique armour. Add M86 APHE, APCR Shot Mk. I, and APDS Shot Mk. I.
+1 for the Churchill IV with the 6pdr L/50. The combination of armour and rapid firepower would be very competitive at its BR range.
The incorrect penetration values on other vehicles carrying the 6pdr L/43 could hopefully be resolved at the same time.
+1 for sure
+1 for sure, for 4.7 also with side applique and add-on tracks
No. Anyone who has the horribly over BRed APDS churchill(black prince) can tell you how bad that already is at anything but brawling due to gun dispersion with APDS(i.e. it can miss a stationary tiger 2’s broad side past 400m) and well being a churchill.
IF you think thats some god round just get a black prince in test drive and you will see that its not anything worth talking about and even the regular shells are better at BRs that other churchills are at. That and if they did add APDS they would have to up BR it to 6.0 like the already too high black prince.
Or instead of nerfing a premium tank, just fix the visual model to the longer barrle. As germany also captured those.
huh, I never had those dispersion issues. Don’t think that they would have to BR it to 6.0, challenger has APDS at 5.3 and Comet has APDS at 5.0, so a tank with weaker APDS in the 4-5 range seems fine.
Don’t think there is any photographic evidence of that.
besides, premium tanks get nerfed all the time with BR changes. VIDAR and TURM III for example. reducing the penetration, but dropping the BR to compensate seems fine to me.
Its impossible for them not to have captured one of those.
And not really, those are higher rank ones, the church isnt.
You can see the obvious difference in length, as well as the counterweight on the Mk V.
um, what prompts this history lesson? I had thought that I had proven pretty conclusively throughout this thread that I can tell the difference between a MK III and MK V 6 pounder.
I misunderstood you, didn’t realise you were saying photographic evidence of German captured L/50 Churchills.
In regards to a photo of a German Churchill with a 6pdr Mk V, I think this might be a photo of one.
While this is not a Churchill Mk III as the German one is ingame, and instead a Mk IV, i do belive that it is a 6pdr mk V, however i might be wrong.
Source:
Here a III with L/50
Well bless my heart, you could also change the visual model of the german premium! More than one way to skin a cat I guess.
You beat me to it.
My idea was always something like this:
Then Gaijin just have to choose 1 of the above to change the German Churchill into.
I doubt the german Churchill will recive any fancy Apcr or Apds, so giving it the proper Mk. V L/50 would be the best option, nothing won nothing lost to how it is currently.