I’ll try to find the original posts from my browsing history when I have time. But, reading from that TT, I maybe able to find English discussions on the ships listed. Will try to do that soon when I get time.
Yeah, as @hypilot also noted ( Imperial and Nationalist China Warship Projects | Secret Projects Forum ), I feel, for example, the ROC navies, pretty much most of the ships entered service or laid down but never served are copy-paste. The PRC, for example, might have a few unique ships built by themselves. The Type-51 destroyers: Type 051 destroyer - Wikipedia
maybe added for high-tiers.
Will do a search later.
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First of all I would like to thank you for your contributions and devotion to the research. As for type 051 also known as Luda-class we are not adding them yet to the tech tree due a the fact that there are no true Missile destroyers yet in the game as we speak. As we said before, when it comes to unimplemented armament like missiles we like to look keep future in mind when they will get their armament implemented properly.
As soon as they are announced/implemented we have plans to expand Tech Tree along that path. Both sides from Wu Chin upgrades of ROC to Missile armament on Anshan and Type 051 forward projects of PLAN harbour great potential.
Thanks again.
Maybe also type 055 in the future. absolutely love that. Sending a YJ-21 and destroying a enemy ship on the other side of the map would be quite enjoyable
@TheNomad99
New possible idea:
China coast guard cutter Nansha(5901, Ex-3901，南沙), or it’s sister ship Zhoushan(2901，舟山); the class is the 12000 tonne class coast guard cutter, also known as the Zhaotou class cutter by nato.
They carry 1x H/PJ-26 76mm cannon, 2x 30mm autocannons(single barrel), 2x 12.7mm heavy machine guns and water cannons along with 2 helicopters(Z-8, Z-9 or Z-20). They can also carry daughter boats(i just think it would be nice if we could use these for recon like drones)
They have a displacement of 12000 tonnes and a length of 165 meters;
Photos:
Zhoushan:
Nansha(5901, Ex-3901(3901 was likely used prior to 2018)):
Daughter boat 5901-2
Helipad
Sources:
https://www.toutiao.com/w/1739626516832256/?wid=1758283707268
https://m.weibo.cn/detail/5188331726177636
https://weibo.com/7837240744/5007421552199415
https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/0cxG_yYPYmacZDH8O7lJoQ (china coast guard, photos only)
https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/EEkGCBAgOJM7vWvEUUBFGQ (china coast guard, photos only)
First of all, thank you for the help with the research.
The idea of implementing this is interesting as the ship itself isn’ t heavily armed and relies more on the helicopters for offense and defense. We hope that there will be a place for these kind of vessels which act more as a platform than possessing heavy armament themselves.
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If I’m not mistaken, there is one version of the type 51 from early 1970 perhaps, where the middle anti-ship missiles were actually pairs of dual-37mm anti-air? maybe u know this better than me. But, that was why I brought this class of ships up.
I actually never read that, maybe there are some photos of it? Will have to search for that configuration, it sounds interesting. Considering they were put in service in 1970s maybe they put AA in place as temporary solution before missiles?
You’re welcome
Maybe this could be put at low tier I guess
3.3? 2.3 maybe even?
(76mm cannon and 30mm cannon seem like low tier stuff; but finally a use for torpedo boats)
Would be really nice for possible naval singleplayer missions though
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I think the Chinese Coast Guard cutters are simply too big and weakly armed, if it was the same size as the Peacock class in-game then it wouldve been able to be fit into the Coastal Tech Tree with its 1x 76mm gun, 2x 30mm autocannons, and 12.7mm MGs.
This is not even considering the political fallout adding Chinese Coast Guard ships would entail. It would be incredibly difficult to balance them against actual warships.
Although I kinda like the idea of having psuedo carriers though with ships having a weak armament but can carry plenty of choppers - would also pave the way in for naval helicopters to appear in-game as well (theres at least 3 SH-60 variants that can be added to Japan, different AW-159 Wildcats for ROK and UK, and many more).
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I would love to see imperial ships.
Mostly it’s for the jokes; Coast guard variants of the type 056 light frigate and type 053H2G frigates would definetely do better;
I posted that on the coastal tree though
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On the other hand this kind of ship could be quite powerful and have a higher BR due to having the helicopters having missiles.
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Z-20 coast guard likely has no missiles; same thing for Z-8 and Z-9
I’m legitimately surprised that there is no PRC Bluewater line. Yes I know that all PRC Bluewater vessels are missile carriers of some variety but they can still be added regardless. Judging on how Naval battles is progressing towards, Anti-Ship Missiles will become more of a thing sooner or later so there’s no good reasons to not add the PRC Bluewater vessels. (it does however require the coastal fleet TT’s for all nations to have a massive shake ups for balancing reasons though)
The Yat Sen Cruisers can be added in 2 variants, A 1934/1937 config and a 1945 config. One of these two can be a squadron vehicle since there is no Squadron ship in the proposal.
Some re-arrangement can be done to the TT, such as (if possible) adding some more interwar destroyers to Tier I and moving the post-war destroyers to at least Tier II. Maybe consolidating the Republican line and the Imperial line together and folder some of the ships together, leaving room for a PRC line (Tier I of the PRC can get some Imperial and/or Republican Destroyers to fill in the gaps)
Otherwise +1. There’s potential here, just needs a lot of work to be done
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Firstly, we have no clue currently where will the missile destroyers go, so it is hard to put them in the tech tree as of now. We have PRC line in plans but as of now, we are not sure where to put those ships. Yes there are some destroyers carrying missiles but those are not proper anti ship missiles, correct me if I am wrong though.
Secondly, thanks for support on Yat Sen/Yi Xian. Post 1945 configuration from what I can find is one 120 mm cannon and the rest 40 and 25 mm so that does not seem viable to us. As for original we will add it eventually probably.
Thirdly, what interwar destroyers are we talking about? please point us to those that are viable as we could not find any that fit Bluewater, it would be great if there were more. As for PRC we plan is a third line in the Tech Tree.
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That is due to limitations of coast guard equipment I suppose, otherwise variants of Z-9 and Z-20 can at least carry torpedoes…Otherwise it is potentially nice looking and strong Bluewater vessel due to their cannons which are too small for Bluewater Tech Tree but more than large enough for Coastal one.
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Firstly, we have no clue currently where will the missile destroyers go, so it is hard to put them in the tech tree as of now. We have PRC line in plans but as of now, we are not sure where to put those ships. Yes there are some destroyers carrying missiles but those are not proper anti ship missiles, correct me if I am wrong though.
Fortunately there’s 2 ships that gives us an idea on where Missile destroyers will be placed, the Bravy and especially the newly added USS Charles F Adams. Both have Missiles even though they are AAM’s. The Charles F Adams is of particular interests since it has the Housing for the ASM launchers modeled in game (even if they are currently non-functioning), A couple of the Japanese Frigates (and maybe one other US ship) have the same housing as the Charles F Adams. I listed both the Bravy and the Charles F Adams since they share the same BR of 5.3. What that means that the PRC Missile Destroyers will start around the BR of 5.3 no lower than 5.0 if they were added with non-functioning Missile bays. But only if it was added with no functioning ASM’s. Once they get their ASM’s they’ll get BR increases.
The Saetta Motor Torpedo Boat has ASM’s in the form of Nettuno however they only come in a limited amount and they are on the smaller end, also it’s in the coastal TT since it’s a Motor Torpedo Boat so yes there is a boat that uses a proper ASM
Secondly, thanks for support on Yat Sen/Yi Xian. Post 1945 configuration from what I can find is one 120 mm cannon and the rest 40 and 25 mm so that does not seem viable to us. As for original we will add it eventually probably.
Fair enough. The only real ways for a Post WWII Yat Sen is to make it the lowest BR Light Cruiser in game or classify it as a “Destroyer” for balancing reasons, putting it in the coastal TT may be overkill. The 1937 config can be around 4.7 in line with comparable Light Cruisers of the time. Another ship with a similar dilemma is the Shen Yang (the Namikaze class one not the Gearing class one) in the sense that like with the Yat Sen has most of it’s cannons gutted in favour for Anti-Air weaponry though the solution to that is making it a Reserve or 3.3 ship in Tier I since it is basically fills a similar role to the Grecale Destroyer in the Italian TT in the sense that it’s more for Anti-Air & Anti-Coastal duties than battling other destroyers
As for PRC we plan is a third line in the Tech Tree.
If the Imperial Line is going to stay we can fill it up with more ships such as the Pingyuan. I know that if was to be added it would be the oldest ship in game (It was commissioned in the 1880’s) and it’s closer to an ironclad than any other classes currently in game (and there’s no Ironclad type ships that are added). It would be a lot of fun to have disproportionate amount of firepower even if it’s not going to be meta in any ways
I am aware of Saetta P-494, I was moreso asking for destroyers, I understand what you are trying to say, but as you said yourself those are meant to be anti ship but AA missiles and I personally do not think those are truly comparable, just like anti air and anti tank are not.
We also try to build suggestion with future in mind when the missiles will get added. To also note, we would love to see the tree more filled up with Wu Chin and other upgrades, plus type 051 and onwards destroyers, we for now have no idea though how well will missiles preform etc. For example in War Thunder mobile they are put after the “Leviathans”…
I do not see reason to change classification of Yat Sen, it is also just too weak with single 120 mm cannon. As built would be great. There is also Yat Sen version that was laid down but never completed due to Japanese invasion but for more and correct information I should contact the naval yard I suppose.
As for Imperial line there are many ships with plenty of large calibre cannons from 1880s and 1980s that would be really interesting to see. But I am guessing here that the cannons are not as strong and the steel quality is much worse than of those ships in 1910s.
Thank you :)