That is the plan in some way. The only problem would then be where does it get added since China did not posses any Rank V or rank VI worthy vessel. but overall many more types of ships could be added, type 052 onwards for PRC and Wu Chin I to III upgrades ROC.
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From the top of my head there was a single coastal defense battleship planned for china but construction was never carried out. (Thank you Azur Lane for bringing me to it with the Huan Ch’ang).
Also, there were a couple of heavy cruisers drawn up by Japanese designers but those also never left the drawing board.
Some truly paper designs that could be added as fillers.
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Firstly, thank you for those drawings. The problem especially with first one is that they were never considered by the Chinese but just proposals made for them as far as we know. The No 1006 is Harima’s shipyard project if remember correctly and I am not sure how seriously it was taken by the ROC authorities. I believe that current Gaijin’s policy is that to add a vessel to the game construction should at least begin. Maybe rank V could be a refit of already unbuilt No 68 cruiser with 8 150 mm cannons but we are not sure due to it being WW1 cruiser and only source I could find about that comes from Conway’s book. thank you tor the effort, we appreciate it and we will continue our research. o7
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Theres actually a WIP Naval Tech Tree for Pakistan & Bangladesh, someone even made a google spreadsheet for potential ships from the machinery of war discussion page. Could be good reference materiel:
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Here are a couple more suggestions on my end for your tree:
ROCS Lo Yang (DD-14) - Benson-class Destroyer transferred to the ROCN Post-War. She seems to have been modified at some point following her transfer, as the mast is not standard on the Benson-class; I’ve also seen some reference to her torpedos having been modified
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ROCS Hsiang Yang (DD-1) - One of several Allen M Sumner’s transferred to the ROCN, all of which received substantial modifications in ROCN service (just using Hsiang Yang as an example).
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And a slightly more controversial option, the ROCS Fen Yang. She was an Akizuki-class transferred to the ROCN in a disarmed state in 1947. Before the outbreak of the Korean War, Sasebo Heavy Industries was contracted to re-arm the ship using spare Japanese 100mm and 25mm guns and American 40mm Bofors, but the project was shelved due to the outbreak of the Korean War. That said, it might be a potential premium candidate. and there is precedent considering we have a number of ships with incomplete refits in-game
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Thank you for the ideas but at the moment we do not have any plans on implementing Pakistan into the Chinese naval tech tree. As of now we are trying to fill the tech tree with vessels having direct connection with China.
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Hi, thank you for the ideas. Could you please provide sources for USS Benson and change of torpedoes or any such modification occuring?
As far as we are aware about modifications of Allen M Summer-class it was Wu Chin I upgrade, which among other things added Hsiung Feng I missiles. We are not yet sure where to position them in the tech tree but but we do plan to implement Wu Chin I, II and III upgrades into our suggestion after missile destroyers get added into base game.
As for Fen Yang the idea sounds neat since the turrets would probably be unique and number of cannons overall differ from original ships. I could not find sources stating any specifics though.
Thank you again :)
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Of course, I had to do a lot of digging on this, but the USN apparently transferred the ship without any torpedo tubes. So, at some point, not only was the mast of the ship modified, but the ROCN also added Mk 32 torpedo tubes, as seen in this very tiny photo.
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Further evidence can be found when looking at her sister ship Han Yang (DD-15)
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Now, as for the mast. This is what the ship looked like right after being transferred.
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According to Navypedia, the ship had a different mast by 1970. However, I have seen photos from the mid-60s with that mast. Unfortunately, I have not yet been able to identify a date when the mast changed. Curiously, it seems Han Yang also received modifications to her aft mast.
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(Lo Yang during a Port Call by the Chilean Training Ship Esmerelda)
(Han Yang towards the end of her service life)
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thank you, will consider implementing it to tech tree. Interestingly USS Benson has not been added yet into the game in USA tech tree. As for Fen Yang I found the only mention of rearmament on Wikipedia which has sources to Toshio Tamura but I do not know Japanese.
No problem! Honestly, I’d probably suggest adding Han Yang to the TT, as she seems to have been the most modified of the Bensons the ROCN received. It is a shame the Benson/Gleaves hasn’t popped up yet; there are just so many ships that have been left unimplemented. Speaking of the Gleaves, it also appears that the ROCN modified some of the Gleaves-class Destroyers they received, so they might also be potential additions. I’ll keep looking into Fen Yang myself; I know a few people who speak Japanese.
Thank you for all the info and about Fen Yang. I doubt they would have whole turrets completed, similarly to Dan Yang when armed with Japanese guns. As for Gleaves-class I would want not to have too much similar foreign vessels without too little modifications. I hope you understand. Could put one as premium and one into the main tt. What do you think?
Aye, I’d say Han Yang is in the TT as of the last refit, and one of the Gleaves is in its final fit as a Premium. That said, be careful about which one you pick, as a couple of them seem to have been transferred with only three 5"/38s. I belive ROCS Nan Yang (DD-17) was the only one with four guns remaing
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Have you considered adding the Fei Hong/Elli? It was intended to be the third sister of the Chao Ho-class but it was eventually transferred to Greece. Would make a good Rank I vehicle.
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We did consider it. But decided against adding it due to it never being bought by China and at the end there are 2 ships of Chao Ho-class in the tech tree already.
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Greetings,
we would like to inquire about your support of adding some vessels from 1880s to the Imperial line. The positive side is adding more unique vessels to the tech tree overall but we are aware that War Thunder currently does not seem to have any plans to delve much into pre dreadnought naval history. Decision is also not of critical importance to the tech tree since it would not bring any V Rank vessels which China definitely lacks but mostly to fill in the Imperial line. Please let us know what you think about the idea and feel free to discuss it further :).
Thank you for understanding.
I really appreciate the existance of a serious suggestion for the Chinese bluewater tree but I’m a bit surprised by the lack of PLAN ships. I agree with not trying to add ships focused on missile combat as that is still speculative at this point, but Gaijin has already added missile ships with non-functional missiles like the Albatros-class, Sparvieros etc. There would be nothing wrong with adding the Type 051 and Sumner-classes, they would just have to operate without functional missiles. In both cases they still feature plenty of firepower without them as they still carry good gun armament even if they lack torpedoes. The Type 051 especially would be interesting as it would represent domestic Chinese shipbuilding while also coming in a wide array of modifications, I think even the Type 051G with its four 100 mm guns could work well thanks to their high rof
In a similar vein, I understand wanting to show the tree’s uniqueness, but this tree really is in need of getting as many additional vessels as possible. So I definitely see reason for adding a researchable Gnevny-class as well as Pakistani ships, especially as premium options given that we already have plenty of Pakistani vehicles in the Chinese tree, including ones of non-Chinese origin like the T-80UD/BE
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We believe on building tech trees on uniqueness as much as possible even at the expense of Tech Tree size. As such we do not believe that we need to add as many vessels as possible.
As we stated we avoided adding missile destroyers as of now but have full plans to add them when we see how Gaijin implements them first.As for not implemented armament we try to have future in mind when that will be the case.
Pakistan as such also does not offer much uniqueness or plenty of vessels at all, most of which are comparably copy-paste since they were slightly modified when British sold them to Pakistan. As such we do not see the necessity to add them. Edit: Maybe as premium yes, they could be added.
PLAN ships maybe we could have after more naval missiles come into game. But yeah I agree with you overall, would like to see CNS Anshan, CNS Yinchuan and type 055 destroyers.
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