The aircraft with the lowest BR I’ve seen so far that can evade the PL-12 through simple maneuvers is the Italian C.200 lol.
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thats nonsense, the only reason the aim120d perfomed better was the ef2k aesa. the pl12a pre nerf was just better it could actually use the removed launched limits.
it is the same boat though, they got gimped like the amraams got gimped, just cause the pl12s got gimped more it doesnt change that is same situation. both should get fixed, obviously people bring up aim120 what do you expect its the exact same situation and it has been mostly unaddressed for the last year +.
you could outroll amraams and you could outpull amraams its just easier to do it to pl12s
I don’t think the eft aesas have access to 120ds. Do you mean 120c-5s?
ESA EF´s in fact do not carry 120D´s only the F-15C GE the F-18E variants and the Pobit
Typhoons doesnt carry Aim-120D’s in game.
Only Us based planes does.
Aim 120d isnt on the eft
Aim 120d isnt on the eft
And also no
even if the pl12 yes could use the unlimited launch angles better than the aim 120d
It was still bad because you couldn’t contest other jets at distance you always have to play defensive in majority of cases and force your opponent to get close which is not ideal especially when you play against a eft or a rafale or the f15 ge
They all carry about the same or more missiles
Have more countermeasures more maneuverable better thrust and now better missiles
Pl 12 before the nerf wasnt bad but it wasn’t able to compete at top tier because of the platform its used on and the missile bad energy retention
There is no difference besides removed launch limits
Aim120d does nothing better than c5
Aim120c5 is identical besides the launch limits
you seem to dissagre with yourself
surly nothaving launch limits dosent matter at all, especially when you yourself mentioned the AESA EF that has atleast 90° of gimbal wich would enable it to fire missiles from the notch
and lets see what you wrote earlier
why mention the 120D and then the removed launch limits on the pl12a
certainly becasue it dosent matter on the 120C5
No it doesnt, aim120s fired from outside max limits are wasted, they dont pull in in time to so anything, even if the ef2k aesa had the aim120d it would need to pull in if it wanted any chance of the missile actually hitting. Pre nerf pl12a had more than enough gpull to use it. Current pl12a much like aim120d has no benefit from the remove launch limits
truely there arent any shots that anyone might take from further than 5km anyways especially when you can sit in the notch forever with the EF
The missile is going to be basically out of energy well before it hits anything at range if you shoot it in a notch, it takes the entire burn time for it to get on target
It does work better against notching targets
Also since it doesn’t have any drift you have to do a little more maneuvers to deal with it
That is just something peoole claimed, nobody tested it and it doesn’t make much sense, iog drift shouldnt be an issue with midcourse guidance being provided. People were datalinking missiles on esa before the aim120d and pl12a were added and it was the best way to use them once it was discovered as an interaction, i saw no difference going to aim120c5 to aim120d and nobody has tested if gnss actually does anything people have just been saying it cause bvvd said it.
Edit: i forgot to say the missile needs to be in look down mode though iirc.
Launching the missile and not giving updates = it flies straight with 0 deviation, compared to the C-5 and before missiles which would over time deviate by 2 metres a second. <16 km doesn’t matter since seeker is active and tracking by this point and an argument can be made for ~20 km (it won’t deviate too far that the missile’s seeker can’t see intended target; remember the beam covers roughly 4km of sky from a far distance).
Another thing the AIM-120D should have but doesn’t or it’s iffy is two-way datalink. Yes, the missile can be notched but if the plane isn’t, sometimes the missile doesn’t reacquire/switch to IOG+DL and prioritise those updates over its own seeker when the aircraft radar can still see the target, which would be another benefit over the C-5 and I think this is the reason why it wasn’t given to any Eurofighter AESA or Gripen E.
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It does work and the proof is that you can hit helicopters more consistently because when its on DL iog mode its always pin point on the target as long as your keep a tws lock or hars lock
i tested it with the pl 12a and it does work
Also the missile can re lock the target if he doesnt notch your radar properly