I think Pakistan’s domestic version uses a Pakistani made gun and domestic ERA. Apart from that it’s same as the VT-4A1
VT4 should drop to 10.0!
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I agree！！
The current vertical targeting speed for the VT4A1 is literally worse than the 99ii/iii’s, this is absolutely absurd, if 3.7 degree per second stock is the true value, who the hell would buy it? However, its been proven to be quite successful as an export vehicle.
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So for some reason, despite my bug report, it seems the Hull armor actually got worse even tho it was already underperforming a bit on the dev server…and the vertical targeting speed hasn’t been touched yet, but the transmission is fixed. the reload is also only 7.1 and not the 6.7 that got acknowledged as well.
@Smin1080p hopefully the devs are still aware and are planning to implement all the bug reports that have been acknowledged? At 11.7 this tanks protection and base performance seems very inadequate
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Buff to all top Chinese MBTs in coming patch:
FY2: KE120 CE450
FY4: KE180 CE550
VT-4A1 turret speed to 38/15
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Analysis of MBT-2000 / VT-4A1 protection in latest data mine
It seems MBT-2000 will benefit the most from the change and may need BR increse to 11.0+
For VT-4A1, the new KE protection is estimated to be 540-580 base armor + 180 ERA according to the guy.
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After this, it’s seems that all were really missing is the Reload buff and Spall liners
Thank you by the way for bringing this to our attention!
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Also they should add the missing top ERA plates but that may come much later as modelling is required.
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Yeah, I expect that later, and tbh I don’t really mind as much, as the ERA coverage was very minimal, and wouldn’t have much effect on survivability
not only the top but also the sides’ the side’s ERA can improve its survival ability significantly
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The side ERA on the turret is already implemented, unless your talking about the proposed kit thats meant to add a bunch of sideskirt ERA to the tank. That was a separate report, however given that it was never implemented IRL, I don’t expect it to come to the game
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https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/vM3Y9bSPTycF
“Will be fixed in 2.33.0.23+”
Might be a good hint that this is when they will update the VT-4, just no ETA when it’s actually coming but I assume SoooonTM
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Comparing 2.33.0.19…2.33.0.25 · gszabi99/War-Thunder-Datamine · GitHub
Seems top ERA is fixed (changed to FY2) but the side ERA has not received any changes. May need to check again after the patch is released
Edit: actually I am not so sure now because there are two sets of values for top ERA:
“kineticProtectionEquivalent”: 50.0,
“cumulativeProtectionEquivalent”: 350.0,
“genericEffectiveThicknessMax”: 120.0,
“cumulativeEffectiveThicknessMax”: 450.0,
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Im terrible at understanding the raw datamines, but do I see spall liners for the VT-4? Or is that something else?(edit: I think I was just misreading)
Also I guess we’ll just have to wait and see whenever this mini patch is ready, hopefully they will be able to squeeze Spall liner and reload buffs into it as well
I really hope they also don’t keep the 7.1 second reload with the justification of “balance” as this tank is already up against some fierce competition, and could use all the help It can get. Plus unlike other changes, I imagine the reload is rather simple to do
Has the hull armour and APFSDS been looked into here? I’ve seen some mentions of it but nothing that looks like a final ‘yes this needs to change’ (though I might just be tired :P). That aside, I’m not too happy with how the VT-4 is in game right now so I’d like to try and help, even though this isn’t normally my thing to do.
I looked at the sources on the Wikipedia page for the VT-4, which led me to an article with a transcript of an interview with one of the tank’s designers (though obviously I can’t verify its authenticity since I know nothing about the site), but I wanted to bring it to you guys’ attention. It has mentions of ~700mm of armour on the hull front and an APFSDS that can pierce 700mm of RHA (and another experimental one that can pierce 1000mm), though naturally I can’t be sure if those claims are true or just what’s being said.
Here’s that article: VT4 Tank Chief Designer: Our tank gun can penetrate 1 meter thick steel armor (guancha.cn)
(taken directly from wikipedia)
Like I said, I don’t normally deal with this stuff, so apologies if this isn’t the most useful contribution. (edit: I reckon an article like this wouldn’t be enough to convince Gaijin to make changes anyway, but maybe it’s helpful?)
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The armor should see a huge buff in next update. For APFSDS, I am afraid the community has tried its best to submit various evidence but at the moment I don’t see any hope.
It seems that armor buffs are coming for the VT-4 and also for Chinese ERA in general, and I made a bug report in the dev server about the underperforming armor which was acknowledged: Community Bug Reporting System
From what Gultrama has already posted, it seems the current estimates are more or less in line with my bug report