China always a patch behind Russia...but this can change if the gaijin wants and so30mk2 can be a good start for that

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China is always 1 patch away from Russia, with the introduction of the seek and destroy patch being a good example of this.
In which the su27sm was added for Russia while China received the j11A which is clearly a much inferior vehicle to the su27sm which was already not a consistent vehicle in the patch.
China was basically left without a real 13.7 vehicle until the later Dance of Dragons patch, in which the j10 was introduced and then only in the fire bird patch came the mirage 2000 ei.
Only 3 patches later on the Hornet’s Sting we received a plane similar to the su27sm, which is the j11b and china did not receive any plane similar to the su30… It took more than 6 months for China to receive a 13.7 heavy fighter with the same features as su27sm.
Concerns about the Chinese su30…
The Russians received the su30sm which in itself is already more advanced than the su30mkk and mk2, but this technological gap and performance may be greater or lesser based on gaijin’s decision-making in which version of su30mkk it will add.
If it’s the su30mkk it’s going to be a big problem because it’s a plane from the late 90s (1999), in which there is a tremendous technology gap.
If it is the su30mk2, this gap still exists, but it is smaller, as it is a 2004 aircraft, but the su30sm is still 10 years more advanced.
The variant that would have the smallest gap between the two aircraft would be the su30mk2 with the Chinese updates/modifications;
These updates include the replacement of the N001VEP radar with the Pesa type 1493 radar.
Integration with modern datalink systems(such as Tianlian), allowing communication with Chinese AWACS (KJ-500).
Modernized Cockpit, Replacement of analog displays with multi-function displays (MFD) in the “glass cockpit” style.
Compatibility with advanced targeting helmets (such as the HTY-5, similar to the JHMCS).
Chinese Weaponry (Integration of Chinese weapons)

  • Missiles: PL-12, PL-8B
    -YJ-12K: Supersonic anti-ship missile

  • J-83K: Subsonic anti-ship missile

  • KD-88: Land attack missile

  • Guided bombs:

  • LS-500J: Laser precision bomb.

  • FT-12: Penetration bomb.10A),
    Electronic Warfare and Countermeasures

  • Domestic EW System

  • Replacement of Russian systems by Chinese electronic suites (KG600/800), with better jamming and defense capabilities, (They may include dedicated jammers in some future update that adds this mechanic) and modern chaff/flare dispensers.

Chinese SPO-32: Local version of the Russian radar warning system, integrated with digital countermeasures.

If a su 30mk2 is added with all these modifications then yes we would have an aircraft more similar to the su30sm, otherwise it will be the same as the addition of the j11A, where we will have to use a completely inferior plane and wait 6 months for a fair addition that has already been affected by the game’s powercreep.

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China’s not a patch behind. They have J-11B, the best flanker in the game.

Su-30MKK runs the older engines of Su-27, and is effectively a sidegrade to J-11B with worse flight performance.

Of course I agree with you on War Thunder getting electronic warfare equipment when it’s ready.
And of course I agree with the following:

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Gimme this. gimme this instrument of god.

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“Best” because what? RWR? WS-10? PL-12? Type 1493?

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Thrust, weapons, radar. Flight performance is a good feature as well.
The J-11B is the only flanker that has a chance of doing what Typhoon and F-15s do in versatile playstyle… outside dogfighting, but I hope dogfighting isn’t a serious consideration.

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FM is a byproduct of Engine in J-11B case because majority of J-11B upgrade was on internals and weapon system, Radar… idk if it’s better than Captor, APG-70 or RBE-2 since I don’t have any point of comparison, but this thing do scan fast.

Still, 6 missiles against other that carry 8 + 2 is ain’t it. rare for you to get that close and expend all 4 PL-8B soo…

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Wow, how cool, China received a plane similar to the SU27SM 3 patches later

Have you heard of the flanker H? aka su30sm

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Could you show me where the 14.0 aircraft from China is?

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English is not my main language. I have a lot of difficulty with grammar and sometimes when I use translate it doesn’t help me much, but is it really that difficult to understand what I meant in the post?
Or he has some problems of interpretation or of recognizing reality?

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It is not difficult to read, in fact is well writen (at least thats what i think, my main language is spanish).
The problem is AlvisWisla and his need to disagree on anything he sees on the forum and ignorance of the game.

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hell, that F-16A should’ve been 13.7 with 120 CM and AMRAAM.

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I don’t think it has much to do with political bias or communism, it’s about questionable decisions that the company makes within the game.

This problem does not only exist in Russia in contrast to China, it also happens even more frequently with the USA and Israel for example; just as the j11A was a bad addition because it was much inferior to the su27sm, the Baz meshupar came to the game in the seek a s destroy update without data link on the radar and without tws mode, it was literally an f15A with fox3 m, and it took almost 4 months to fix.

Israel operates or has operated f16s block 1 to 15, 30, 40 and 50, but in the game the worst possible variant was always added in the worst timming possible.
The first fox3 platform that Israel received was the f16D block 40 with derby, the first modern f16 that Israel received was the f16D while the US had the f16C block 50.
when Israel received its f16C the worst possible block was chosen. They did not choose block 30 because it is an f16 with FM similar to that of the A but with fox 3 and a block 50 was not chosen like that of the United States but with more countermeasures.
Block 40 was chosen, the worst of both worlds, it has neither engine nor radar like the Block 50 and is less agile and heavier than a Block 30.
When the F15I was added to the game, there was controversy over the engines, which caused this forum to explode with complaints, because “where have you ever seen an Israeli vehicle have something better than the American one?”
the lack of AGM on the f15I took a patch to resolve.
Israeli planes are also usually over BR, just look at the netz and kfir series.

The problem is not political or nationalist bias or political economic ideology (communism)… the problem is how gaijin treat minor nations.
The gaijin have difficulty balancing and giving attention and correct treatment to the “minor nations”.
I don’t even know how Rafale is in the meta/spotlight, since France is a minor nation, usually the nerf hammer hits hard on the minor nations or they are sidelined.

Which is also another issue, China should not be a minor nation, Germany, Russia and the US being the main nations until World War II and the middle of the Cold War is correct…
The problem is that from the 80s to the present day the multipolar world is divided between the US, China and Russia, and war thunder has difficulty making this transition, and this difficulty comes from the player base, mainly from the Western player base or from a bias more aligned with American foreign policies, these people cannot see China as a global power and consolidated military power.

conclusion… it is not political, national or economic-ideological bias, the problem is the players and the game company who forget that this game has 10 nations, and there is always a tug of war between the US and Russia, especially on the forum, while the real problem is neglected.
This discrepancy in treatment does not only exist between Russia and China, it also exists between the US and Israel, the US and Japan or between the US and Russia against the European nations present in the game.

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I would prefer there to be another one in the line with fox3, but if it’s going to be like F16AM or like OCU it’s better not to add it…

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Do you think it should be 14.0?

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@Von_Valinor
Su-27SM has a significantly worse radar.
Su-30SM has significantly worse engines.

@DirectSupport

And J-11B, just like F-15C/JM/BazM are under-BR’d.
Not sure why J-11B was given the special treatment F-15C is.

On another note, I see Lein is disagreeing with everything on the forum again.
All because I agreed with Von Valinor on a few things…

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Did I say he was identical or did I say he was similar?
but he makes up for it with the amount of missiles, and it’s a little more powerful too.

but it has PESA radar, more countermeasures, TVC and 12 r77-1 missiles and a much better CAS.

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You ever looked at germany and our russian planes?

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After the fall of the Berlin Wall, Germany and Russia no longer have any commercial or military ties.
mig29 was the last soviet aircraft that germany had, including Germany has one of the best mig29 in the game which is mig29G.
Germany has no connection with Soviet equipment, the last MiG-29 was withdrawn from service in 2004, almost 21 years ago, Germany does not operate anything Soviet.

It’s like I said up there

and this just reinforces what I already suspected

It’s been 33 years since the Cold War ended

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PESA is still notched just as everything else.
TVC is a neat trick in 1v1s but you lose out on sustained turning.

I of course agree that J-11B’s CAS capabilities are currently balanced for ground RB and not OP like Su-30SM’s, F-15E/I, or Rafale/Mirage.

That thrust disadvantage means the J-11B can use the hyper-aggressive climb strategy while the Su-30SM can’t even be as aggressive as the F-18C due to its slower climb rate.

If and when Gaijin ever gets around to modeling pylon mass and drag, Su-30SM becomes even slower while J-11B takes less of a hit.

And with the new SPAA coming to China that’s of 18km range, I expect J-11B’s CAS capabilities to become unusable entirely, all to fight the OP nature of IR AGMs.

Oh, and 2 more countermeasures of Su-30SM isn’t notable.